1982，Andy Wharhol采访MJ，MJ的私人世界，关于朋友、偶像、音乐、表演、电影、时尚

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一篇1982年的采访翻出来，很有趣的一篇文章。（原文在3、4、5楼）

INTERVIEW是美国波普艺术大师安迪沃荷（Andy Warhol）创办的杂志，这篇采访里谈到了23岁的MJ的众多朋友：简方达、凯瑟琳赫本、戴安娜罗斯、丽萨米内莉、斯皮尔伯格，以及他的偶像詹姆斯布朗、卓别林等等；他对音乐、对表演在那个年龄已经有了深刻的理解，其后我们看到贯穿了他的一生。那个时候的MJ，正在制作那张空前绝后的THRILLER，和众多艺术史上的名人过从甚密，是媒体的宠儿，前方有整个世界等着他去征服。

INTERVIEW杂志网站上只保留了其中谈艺术的部分，其它的大部分内容也很有意思。



迈克尔杰克逊的私人世界

安迪沃荷、鲍勃克拉塞罗，1982年8月20日，星期五，下午3:30

鲍勃克拉塞罗来到位于圣费尔南多的一个山谷里的迈克尔杰克逊居住的公寓。由于他们自己的房子在装修，迈克尔和他的家人暂时租借在这里。迈克尔，这位人尽皆知的JACKSON5的主唱，也已经为他的独唱生涯打下了坚实的基业。他的上一张专辑《疯狂》仅仅在美国就已经售出500万张。尽管他仍然和他的兄弟们一起录制唱片，现在他们的名字叫JACKSONS，迈克尔也开始和一些超级巨星合作，例如保罗麦卡特尼、昆西琼斯、戴安娜罗斯和斯蒂文斯皮尔伯格这些人都成为了他的密友。在等待正在纽约的安迪沃荷的来电的时候，鲍勃和MJ开始聊起他的另一个朋友：简方达。

MJ：亨利方达去世的那天晚上，我赶到那儿去和他们的家人待在一起。他们正在谈论翻看各种歌咏的新闻报导。尽管她的父亲去世了，简仍然对我的事业很感兴趣，问我是否找得到了那部电影，让我觉得非常贴心。我想很久以前就与预期到他的去世了。很多很多很多个月以前，她谈起这事就如同这可能发生在任何时候。当它确实发生了，他们有时候流泪，有时候也欢笑，还吃了一点儿东西。

BC：那么你在干什么？找到了一部电影玩玩吗？
MJ：我正全力完成我的专辑，同时也在做另一张专辑《ET》，那张专辑对我来说挺新鲜的，因为我还从来没有讲述过一个故事。

BC：这《ET》是个什么专辑？
MJ：是个故事专辑，双张的。我会在里面讲述整个故事，还要唱一首我根据这个故事写的歌。我刚刚和斯蒂文（斯皮尔伯格）谈过，我们碰了头，谈了不知道有多久，说要将它做成一张空前的专辑。

BC：你正在做的那张专辑呢？你写了里面所有的歌吗？
MJ：我写了四到五首歌。

BC：斯蒂夫（鲁贝尔）（著名的54俱乐部的创始人，译注）告诉我，你正在和保罗麦卡特尼合作？
MJ：是的。保罗正好在这儿，我写了了一首歌《那女孩是我的》，我们会在我的专辑里一起唱这首歌。我们在歌里为一个女孩争斗。我们一共合作了两首歌，在各自的专辑里都效果都很棒，他的那首歌叫《O War Part II》。但是在我的专辑里唱的是我写的歌。在歌里最后我们为争夺那个女孩还有一番唇枪舌剑，很好玩。

BC：你对于和别的明星合作很开放。一般人通常不这样。
MJ：其实也不是，一点也不。

BC：你和戴安娜罗斯一起工作？
MJ:只和非常特别的人（合作）。我是说，戴安娜对我来说集母亲、情人、朋友于一身。她太棒了。我刚刚为她的下一支单曲《肌肉》完成了写作、制作和编曲。

BC：歌词也是你写的吗？
MJ：歌词、音乐（都是）——我刚刚写完，这个月底就会发行了。

BC：你从哪儿挤出时间来写这些东西？
MJ：在飞机上。我完成和保罗麦卡特尼的合作从英国回来，在协和飞机上飞驰，这首歌就跳到我脑海里了。我说：“嘿，这太适合戴安娜了！”我没有录音机或别的什么东西，于是只能忍了差不多三个小时。一回到家里我就把这宝贝录下来了。

BC：你关心政治吗？
MJ：我不喜欢谈论那些。

BC：你和简（方达）在一起没谈到这些？
MJ：我们谈过。她太棒了。她教会我许许多多事情。在《金色池塘》拍摄点的时候，我和简住在一个小屋里。小屋在水上，只有我们两个人，我们成天聊天，聊天，聊所有的事情。那对我来说是最棒的教育——她学到了东西，我也学到了东西，我们还会互相争辩。我们聊了各种各样的事情，你想得到的都有：政治、哲学、种族主义、越南、表演，各种各样的事情。那太神奇了。

BC：你在哪里接受教育呢？你总是在路上。
MJ：私人学校或者是导师。

BC：你来自印第安纳的加里？在那里长大是什么感觉？
MJ：事实上，我那时候太小了，根本不记得。五岁的时候我就开始旅行、唱歌、跳舞了。永远在外头，永远不在学校。我只记得街角的商店这些小事情和几个邻居。我家后面的高中有一只很大的乐队，他们吹着喇叭和长号，敲着鼓走过街道——我喜欢那个——就像游行一样。那些是我记得的全部了。

BC：你小时候喜欢表演吗？一直都喜欢吗？
MJ：一直喜欢。我一向喜欢在舞台上的感觉——那里是魔法的发生地。当我登上舞台，那感觉简直就像有魔力突然发生，灵感击中你，而你也失去控制。

BC：你如何比较（在镜头前）表演和在舞台上演出呢？
MJ：我都喜欢。表演是精华。我喜欢演出，那是一种惊人的出逃方式。如果你想要真的发泄出所有的情感，这正是时候。而表演，就像变成另外一个人。我觉得那很酷，尤其是你能浑然忘我。当你浑然忘我的时候——我喜欢那样——那就是魔法产生的时候。我喜欢制造魔法——将那些东西放在一起，如此的不同寻常，出人意料，它能让人们疯狂。那些领先于时代的东西，比人们所想的还要远走五步，人们看到会说：“哇哦，我真是没想到！”我喜欢给别人带来惊喜，无论是用礼物，用舞台表演还是别的东西。我喜欢《欢迎归来，科特》里面的约翰屈伏塔。没人知道他会跳舞，还有所有这些本事。他就像一颗炸弹。不久，他就会是下一个白兰度了。

BC：他最近好像没什么东西。
MJ：我知道。我估计他在挑选剧本什么的吧。与自己过去的成就竞争对任何人来说都是艰难的事情。

BC：告诉我，你认为哪些人在他们各自的领域是开创性的人物？
MJ：我太喜欢斯蒂文斯皮尔伯格了。我爱詹姆斯布朗，他是个现象。我从来没有见过第二个像詹姆斯布朗一样让观众过电的表演者。他将每个人掌握在股掌见，无论他想让他们怎么做，他都做到了。这太神奇了。我一直觉得他被低估了。我爱小萨米戴维斯，我爱弗雷德阿斯泰尔，我爱乔治卢卡斯。我为简方达和凯瑟琳赫本而疯狂。

BC：我见过一张你和凯瑟琳赫本在金色池塘拍摄地的照片。
MJ：能认识她是我的荣幸。因为有很多人都是她不喜欢的——她会直截了当地告诉你。我第一次见她的时候，因为听了简灌输给我的那些故事，都有些发抖。我都被吓着了。但是她当天竟然就邀请我去晚餐。从那以后我们就成了朋友。她来（麦迪逊广场）花园看我们的演唱会——她这辈子看过的第一个演唱会，而且她还很喜欢。我们会打电话，她还给我写信。她简直太棒了。我去了她在纽约的家，她给我看斯宾塞屈塞最喜欢的椅子和他衣橱里的私人物品，还有他的那些小玩意。我觉得他很神奇。

BC：你喜欢老电影吗？
MJ：哦，是的。那里面有很多伟大的艺术，伟大的表演，伟大的导演和伟大的故事。那些比如《怒海余生》、《孤儿乐园》、佛纳甘神父和《小姑居处》这样的电影简直是令人难以置信。

BC：你怎么不自己写个故事呢？
MJ：我们现在就在做这个。我们几乎是在开玩笑，昆西、史蒂文和我——但愿我们能干出点什么来。史蒂文想要弄部音乐剧。

BC：你有兴趣去百老汇演出吗？
MJ：还没有。我觉得音乐剧很锻炼技巧，对于真正到达天赋的顶峰是最好的。你一路走来，终于到达顶峰，然后说：“这大概是我最棒的演出了。”令人悲伤的是，你却不能捕捉保留下这一时刻。看看有多少被世界遗忘的演员和艺人，他们演出了，就仅止于此。但电影却可以捕捉到，它们在全世界放映，永远流传。斯宾塞屈塞和和我可以通过他的表演产生共鸣。然而，在剧院里却失去了这么多，太多了。歌舞剧也是一样。想想我本来可以从所有那些艺人们那里学到多少东西！那将真是超现实的。

BC：许多戏剧现在都被拍下来了，但是不每天晚上都拍。
MJ：那就是问题所在。演员会紧张，他现在正被拍着，一切都觉得不自然了。这就是我不喜欢百老汇的原因。我觉得那简直是全心付出却颗粒无收。我喜欢捕捉到表演，保留下来，然后再和全世界分享它们。

BC：看来让你真正有动力的是想要娱乐大众，取悦大众。那么关于名声和金钱呢？你能想象默默无闻吗？成名困扰过你吗？
MJ：这些倒没怎么困扰我，除了有时候也会想要清净。就好像你去看电影，你说：“今晚不会有人来烦我，我戴着帽子和墨镜，我要好好享受这部电影。”结果你进到那里，每个人都在看着你，瞪着你，到了电影的高潮部分，竟然还会有人拍拍你的肩膀所要签名。你会觉得自己无处可逃。

BC：那是为什么你要住在谷里，而不是所有其他明星住的贝弗利山的原因吗？
MJ：是的，不过这里也一样糟。贝弗利山更糟，他们会跑过去追星。

BC：你和你的父母非常亲近。他们在洛杉矶也住在这儿吗？
MJ：是的。我目前在楼上，我父亲在办公室。

BC：你的典型一天是怎样的？
MJ：大部分时间都在做白日梦。我起得很早，然后为我要做的事情做好准备，写歌啊什么的，再计划计划未来。

BC：你对未来感到乐观吗？
MJ：是的，我总是喜欢提前做好准备，然后再去完成。

BC：丽萨米内莉是你的朋友吧？
MJ：我怎么会忘了她呢！我为丽萨而疯狂。把她加到我最喜欢的人的名单上去。我爱死她了。我们一起在电话里八卦八卦再八卦。我最喜欢丽萨的就是，当我们在一起的时候，我们总在谈论表演。我给她演示我最喜欢的舞步，她给我演示她的。她也是个终极的表演者。她有一种真正的神力。将来我想要喝她一起录歌。我觉得像她那样的人（的歌声）应该能从广播里听到，让大家接受。她就是舞台上的魔法。

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BC：你很关心时尚吗？
MJ：不。我只关心我在舞台上穿的服装。你知道我喜欢什么，对吧？我对日常的服装没有兴趣。我喜欢穿上一件衣服或是演出服，然后看着镜子里的自己。宽松裤，一些真是很时髦的鞋，再加上一顶帽子，然后去体会里面的个性对我来说这很好玩。

BC：你在日常生活里也非常喜欢表演？
MJ：我太喜欢了。这是一种出逃，很好玩。变成另外一件东西，另外一个人简直太酷了。尤其是当你信以为真，而不再是表演的时候。我一直就不喜欢“表演”这个词，还有说“我是个演员”。这应该有比它大多了的含义。这应该简直差不多是个信徒了。

BC：但是如果你完全相信的话岂不是太可怕了吗？
MJ：不会，那正是我喜欢的。我就是喜欢彻底地遗忘。

BC：你为什么这么想遗忘？你觉得生活很艰辛吗？
MJ：不，大概是因为我就是喜欢跳进别人的生活区探索一番。就像查理卓别林一样，我爱死他了。那个小流浪汉，那一整套服装道具，那所有的东西，还有他的心里——他在电影里塑造的一切都是再明显不过的现实。那是他的整个生命。他出生在伦敦，六岁的时候父亲就因酗酒而死，他的母亲在精神病院里。他在英国的街头流浪、乞讨，又贫困又饥饿。所有这些都反映在他的电影里，这也正是我想做的，带引出所有的真相。

BC：你关心赚钱吗？
MJ：我只关心我的工作应该得到应有的回报。当我筹划一个项目，我会全心全力投入。因为我真的喜欢，我会将我的所有都倾注在里面，所以我希望得到回报。辛苦工作的人应该有饭吃，很简单。

BC：你密切关注着自己的事务？
MJ：哦，是的。

BC：你几岁了？
MJ：23。

BC：你一直都在成人世界里表演，是否有时候会觉得好像失去了童年？
MJ：有时候。

BC：但是你喜欢那些比你年长的人，经历丰富的人。
MJ：我喜欢经历丰富的人。我喜欢那些有超凡天赋的人。我喜欢那些努力工作，充满勇气，成为他们行业领导者的人。结识那样的人，向他们学习，和他们谈话——对我来说，那简直太梦幻了。对于一起合作的人，我为史蒂文斯皮尔伯格而疯狂。我的另外一个灵感来源——我不知道从何而来——就是孩子。如果我觉得郁闷了，我就会去找一本有孩子图片的书，看着他们就能让我重新振作起来。和孩子们在一起太神奇了。

BC：他们身上确实有某些积极而鼓励人的东西。你还有很多动物对吧？
MJ：以前有很多。现在只有两只小鹿了，一个是男孩，一个是女孩。他们太乖了，太漂亮了。

BC：我难以理解人们怎么能够对鹿开枪。
MJ：我恨那个。我恨动物标本店和所有那些东西。我有一只羊驼，还有一只绵羊——他看起来就像长角的羊。路易，就是那只羊驼，来自马戏团。那只羊叫蒂伯斯先生，两只鹿一个叫王子，一个叫公主。

BC：等他们长大了你打算怎么办？
MJ：放他们在院子里玩。我们有大概两英亩地。

BC：你的车是什么样的？
MJ：一辆劳斯莱斯，黑色的。

BC：那你喜欢开吗？
MJ：我从来就不爱开车，是我父母逼着我开的。昆西就不开车，我认识的很多人都不开车。

BC：安迪（沃荷）也不开车。
MJ：明智之举。不过当你想要一点点独立溜出去的时候，那倒也不错。只是我去的地方不多。我不知道太多地方，只是沿着马路一直开。

BC：你不大出门？
MJ：我只去金庙，是一家健康食品餐馆。我是一个素食者。或者还去游乐中心玩游戏。

BC：你对艺术感兴趣吗？
MJ：我喜欢画画，——铅笔画、钢笔画——我喜欢艺术。我们去荷兰、德国还有英国巡演的时候都去过博物馆——你知道哪些巨幅的画作对吧？我简直入迷了。我没想到画家可以做到那个程度。看着一座雕塑或是一幅画，你简直能沉迷进去。站在那个看着它们，你也化身为画中场景的一部分了。它们能让你流泪，能深深打动你。你看，那也是的对于演员和表演者的应该是什么样的想法的由来——他们应该接触到一个人内里的真实，应该深入地挖掘出真相，这样这个人物才真正变成你的一部分，（在这个基础上）你可以随心所欲地发挥。你很快乐，他们（人物）也会快乐。不论人物的感情是怎样的，他们就和在一起。我喜欢现实主义，不喜欢矫饰做作。在我们的内心深处其实都一样。我们有着同样的感情，这也是为什么《ET》这样的电影能打动每一个人。谁不想像彼得潘一样飞翔？谁不想和那些来自外太空的梦幻生物一起飞翔，和他们做朋友？史蒂文能够直指人心——他知道如果心存怀疑，那就深入到内心去。

BC：你是个教徒，是吗？
MJ：是的。我相信《圣经》，我相信那个叫耶和华的神和所有的事情。

BC：有人说那就是你为什么不刮胡子的原因。
MJ：哦不！我没有东西可刮，这两者跟本没有关系。

BC：那么你是个基本的基督徒？
MJ：我相信事实。

BC：你看《圣经》吗？
MJ：是的，经常看。

BC：你去教堂吗？
MJ：我们不管那叫教堂，我们叫“王国堂”。(我是)耶和华见证会的。

BC：你提到明天要去见贝特米德勒？你们会一起合作吗？
MJ：不是。我去见西斯里格斯。我喜欢在唱歌时把嗓子完全打开，就像跳舞前的热身。

BC：是不是就像呼吸课？
MJ：是的，我刚完成我的（练习），她（应是指贝特米德勒，译注）就进来了，她总是很准时。

（此时安迪沃荷从纽约打电话来）
AW：喂？
MJ：嗨。

AW：上帝，这太令人兴奋了。你知道，每次我用我的WALKMAN，都在放你的磁带。
MJ：你最近见丽萨（米内莉）了吗？
AW：是，我见了。她在欧洲，不过我在侯斯顿的时装秀上见过她。她换了个发型，现在她的头发看起来跟你差不多了。前面真的很卷，看起来也完全不一样了，不过确实很可爱。她的新形象很棒。上个周末她去侯斯顿那里，不过现在已经在纽约了。你怎么样？
MJ：我基本上都在工作室里，写歌词，录歌这些。

AW：我今晚也许会去丽兹看一个叫做杜兰杜兰的英国摇滚乐队，你知道他们吗？
MJ：不知道。

AW：我上个礼拜去Meadowlands看Blondie了。
MJ：Blondie怎么样？
AW：她很棒，很出色。你认识她吗？
MJ：不，我从没见过她。
AW：好吧，等你来纽约我会介绍她给你认识。巡演大概是世界上最艰难的事情了。
MJ：巡演有些像是——原地踏步。但是站在舞台上是最梦幻的事情。

AW：我迫不及待想要看你真正做出一部大片了。他们跟你说要做什么了吗？
MJ：我的房间里堆满了剧本和邀请，许多都很不错。但我是那种一旦认准想要合作的某个人就要保证做对的人。我不想犯错误。

AW：全都接下来，你不可能犯错的。你真的很棒。你想到过你会成为一名歌手吗？
MJ：我不记得我有不唱歌的时候，所以我也就从来没有梦想过唱歌。

AW：你还收集衣服吗？有没有好的设计师？
MJ：事实上，除非是要上台，我对那些没多大兴趣。我惟一搜集的只有演出服和海盗服，或是类似的东西。对于日常的时尚我不感兴趣。

AW：你穿什么？
MJ：现在我穿着一条条绒裤子，膝盖上还有个大洞，还穿一件粉色衬衣，还有领结。

AW：你常出门吗？还是待在家里？
MJ：我待在家里。

AW：你干吗待在家里？外头的世界很精彩。等你到纽约来，我们带你出去。
MJ：只有在纽约我才会想出去走走。

MJ：你去看电影吗？
MJ：哦，是的。我们正要做一张关于《ET》的专辑。我还和ET有一张合影，这太棒了！（照片里）他抱着我。

AW：我喜欢《电子世界争霸战》，看戏来就像玩电子游戏。你看过吗？
MJ：看过，但它没打动我。

AW：好吧。谢谢你，回头见。
MJ：回头见。如果你见到Liza，代我问好，给她一个大大的吻和拥抱。
（AW挂断电话）

BC：你喜欢滚石乐队吗？你到底认不认识米克（贾格）？
MJ：我在厕所里见到他。他和基思在一起——基思穆恩？
BC：基思理查兹。
MJ：基思理查兹。我走进去然后说：“哦，嗨。”然后我们就开始交谈，我的节目要开始了就走开了。我和他不是很熟。

BC：你经常看书吗？
MJ：是的。我喜欢阅读。我喜欢哲学和短篇小说。我喜欢跟上最新的畅销书。《洛杉矶时报》的星期日日历是我最喜欢的报纸。它能让你了解所有地方的事情。我还有最喜欢的作者——这并不是说我只看畅销书，我喜欢了解他们在干什么，并跟上人们的兴趣点。这和心理有很大关系。

BC：你锻炼吗？
MJ：每个周日我会不停歇地跳30分钟舞。我很享受。

BC：为什么是周日？
MJ：我只是选了周日而已。每个周日我还禁食。不吃任何东西，只喝果汁。

BC：你干嘛要那么做？
MJ：那样能洗刷身体系统，清洁结肠。我觉得很棒。要想真正达到效果，你得正确实行才行。这是身体系统的排污阀，你必须就像保持外表清洁一样保持身体的内部清洁。如果你的体内不清洁，身体系统上就会出现不纯净的种种问题，通过发痘痘、得病或者毛孔粗大体现出来，那是毒素在跑出你的体外。人们应该保持自身的清洁。

BC：你不看报纸的头版吧？
MJ：不看。我也许会瞄上一眼，但不会去读。

BC：太令人沮丧了？
MJ：是的。上面永远都是那些东西。我喜欢让人快乐，那也是演艺事业最伟大之处。那是一种出逃：你花五块钱进去坐下，然后就完全置身于另外一个世界了，忘记了世界上所有的烦恼。那太奇妙了。那就是魔法。

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INTERVIEW MAGAZINE 1982

THE VERY PRIVATE WORLD OF MICHAEL JACKSON BY ANDY WARHOL AND BOB COLACELLO FRIDAY, AUGUST 20, 1982, 3:30 P.M. SOMEWHERE IN THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY. BOB COLACELLO ARRIVES AT THE CONDOMINIUM THAT MICHAEL JACKSON AND HIS FAMILY ARE TEMPORARILY RENTING WHILE THEIR HOUSE NEARBY IS BEING REDECORATED. MICHAEL, WHO EVERYONE REMEMBERS AS THE BOY LEAD SINGER OF THE JACKSON FIVE, HAS BUILT A SOLID SOLO CAREER FOR HIMSELF . HIS LAST ALBUM, ‘OFF THE WALL’ HAS SOLD OVER 5 MILLION COPIES IN THE U.S. ALONE. THOUGH HE ALSO STILL RECORDS WITH HIS BROTHERS, NOW KNOWN AS THE JACKSONS, MICHAEL HAS BRANCHED OUT TO WORK WITH SUCH SUPERSTARS AS PAUL MCCARTNEY, QUINCY JONES, DIANA ROSS AND STEVEN SPIELBERG, ALL OF WHOM ARE CLOSE FRIENDS. WHILE WAITING FOR A PHONE CALL FROM ANDY WARHOL IN NEW YORK, BC AND MJ BEGAN CHATTING ABOUT ANOTHER CLOSE FRIEND, JANE FONDA.
Michael Jackson: The night that Henry Fonda died, I went over there and I was with the family. They were talking and watching all the different news pieces. Although her father died, Jane was still able to show an interest in my career, asking me have I gotten the film yet, and I thought that was very sweet. I think that they had been expecting him to die for so long. Months and months and months ago she was talking as though it was going to be any day. It happened and there were tears sometimes and laughter sometimes and they ate a little.
Bob Colacello: So what are you doing? Have you gotten a movie to do?
MJ: Well, right now I’m just finishing up the album [Thriller ? Ed.] and concentrating on that. I’m doing the other album as well, the E.T. album, at the same time. That album is a little new for me because I’ve never narrated a story.
BC: What is the E.T. album?
MJ: It’s a storybook album, a double album and I’m narrating the whole story and singing the song which we have to come up with and write. We’ve been just meeting and talking about it with Steven [Spielberg] for I don’t know how long? Getting together and talking about making it the all-time storybook album.
BC: The album you’re doing, you’ve written everything on it?
MJ: I’ve written four or five songs.
BC: Steve [Rubell] told me you’re doing something with Paul McCartney?
MJ: Yes. Paul was just here and a song I wrote called The Girl Is Mine, we sing together on my album. We’re fighting over this girl in the song and it came out beautifully both his album, we wrote and sang two songs together, his ‘Tug ‘O War Part II.’ But for mine it’s the song that I wrote. There’s a rap at the end where we’re fighting over her. It’s funny.
BC: You’re very open to working with other stars. Very often people aren’t.
MJ: I’m not actually. Not at all.
BC: You worked with Diana Ross?
MJ: Only very special people. I mean, Diana’s like a mother-lover-friend to me. She’s wonderful. I just wrote, produced and edited her next single, Muscles.
BC: Did you write the lyrics, too?
MJ: Lyrics, music - I just finished that and it should be coming out at the end of this month.
BC: Where do you find the time to do all this writing?
MJ: On airplanes. I was coming back from England working on Paul McCartney’s album, zooming along on the Concorde, and this song popped into my head. I said, ‘Hey, that’s perfect for Diana!’ I didn’t have a tape recorder or anything so I had to suffer for like three hours. Soon as I got home I whipped that baby on tape.
BC: Do you care about politics at all.
MJ: I don’t like talking about it.
BC: You don’t get into that at all with Jane [Fonda]?
MJ: No, we do. She’s wonderful. She teaches me all kinds of stuff. When I was on the ‘Golden Pond’ set I stayed with Jane in the cabin and we were all alone there on the water and we’d just talk, talk, talk about everything. It was the greatest education for me – she’d learn and I’d learn and we’d just play off of each other. We talked about all kinds of things, you name it: politics, philosophers, racism, Vietnam, acting, all kinds of things. It was magic.
BC: Where were you educated, because you were always on the road?
MJ: Private schools or tutors.
BC: You come from Gary, Indiana? What was it like growing up there?
MJ: Actually, I was so small I don’t remember. When I was five I was touring, singing and dancing. Always gone, always out of school. I just remember little things like the corner store or certain people in the neighborhood. The high school behind us always had a big band with trumpets and trombones and drums coming down the street - I used to love that - like a parade. That’s all I remember.
BC: Did you like performing as a child? Did you always love it?
MJ: Always did. I always enjoyed the feeling of being on stage - the magic that comes. When I hit the stage it’s like all of a sudden a magic from somewhere just comes and the spirit just hits you and you just lose control of yourself. I came on stage at Quincy’s [Jones] concert at the Rose Bowl and I did not want to go on stage. I was ducking and hiding and hoping he wouldn’t see me hiding behind people when he called me on. Then I went up there and I just went crazy. I started climbing up the scaffold, the speakers, the light gear. The audience started getting into it and I started dancing and singing and that’s what happens.
BC: How do you compare acting to performing on the stage?
MJ: I love both. Acting is the cream of the crop. I love performing. It’s a phenomenal getaway. If you want to really let out everything you feel, that’s the time to do it. With acting, it’s like becoming another person. I think that’s neat, especially when you totally forget. If you totally forget, which I love to do, that’s when it’s magic. I love to create magic - to put something together that’s so unusual, so unexpected that it blows people’s heads off. Something ahead of the times. Five steps ahead of what people are thinking. So people see it and say, ‘Whoa, I wasn’t expecting that.’ I love surprising people with a present or a gift or a stage performance or anything. I love John Travolta, who came off that ‘Kotter’ show. Nobody knew he could dance or do all those things. He is like - boom. Before he knew it, he was the next big Brando or something.
BC: He hasn’t done much lately.
MJ: I know. I think he’s choosing scripts and stuff. It’s always difficult for anyone trying to compete against their past achievements.
BC: Tell me, who do you think has made breakthroughs in their work in any field?
MJ: I love Steven Spielberg so much. I just love James Brown. He’s phenomenal. I’ve never seen a performer create electricity with an audience like James Brown. He’s got everybody in his hands and whatever he wants to do with them, he does it. It’s amazing. I’ve always thought he was underrated. I love Sammy Davis Jr., I love Fred Astaire. I love George Lucas. I’m crazy about Jane Fonda and Katharine Hepburn.
BC: I saw a picture of you with Katharine Hepburn on the set of On Golden Pond.
MJ: I feel honored to know her because there are a lot of people she doesn’t like – she’ll tell you right away if she doesn’t like you. When I first met her, I was a little shaky because you hear things about her - Jane filled me in. I was kind of scared. But, right away, she invited me to dinner that day. Ever since then we’ve been friends. She came to our concert - the first concert she had ever been to - at the [Madison Square] Garden, and she just enjoyed herself. We call each other on the phone and she sends me letters. She’s just wonderful. I went to her house in New York and she showed me Spencer Tracy’s favorite chair and his private things in his closet, his little knick-knacks. I think he’s just magic.
BC: Are you a fan of old movies?
MJ: Oh, yes. There was a lot of great art, great acting, great directing, great stories. When it comes to stuff like ‘Captains Courageous’ or ‘Boys’ Town’, ‘Father Flanagan,’ ‘Woman of the Year’ that stuff is unreal.
BC: Why don’t you write a story of your own?
MJ: That’s what we’re working on right now. We’re kind of fooling with it, Quincy and Steven and I - hopefully we’ll be able to do something with it. Steven wants to do a musical.
BC: Would you like to do Broadway?
MJ: Not yet. I think it’s good for sharpening your skills. It’s the best for really reaching the zenith of your talent. You go so far and reach the peak of it and you say, ‘Maybe this is the best performance I can do.’ What’s so sad about the whole thing is that you don’t capture that moment. Look at how many great actors or entertainers have been lost to the world because they did a performance one night and that was it. With film, you capture that, it’s shown all over the world and it’s there forever. Spencer Tracy will always be young in Captains Courageous and I can learn and be stimulated by his performance. So much is lost in theater, so much. Or vaudeville. Do you know what I could have learned by watching all those entertainers? It would be unreal.
BC: Most plays are videotaped now, but not every night.
MJ: That’s the thing. The actor’s tense, he’s being taped and things are not falling naturally. That’s what I hate about Broadway. I feel I’m giving a whole lot for nothing. I like to capture things and hold them there and share them with the whole world.

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BC: It seems that what really motivates you is your desire to entertain people, to please people. What about fame and money? Could you imagine not being famous or does being famous bother you?
MJ: It never has bothered me except sometimes when you want peace. Like you go to the theater and you say, ‘Nobody’s bothering me tonight, I’m wearing my hat and glasses and I’m going to enjoy this film and that’s all there is to it.’ You get in there and everybody’s watching and staring at you and at the climax of the film somebody taps you on the shoulder for an autograph. You just feel like you can’t get away.
BC: Is that why you live out here in the Valley as opposed to Beverly Hills where all the other stars live?
MJ: Yes, but it’s just as bad. Beverly Hills is worse because they go there looking for them.
BC: You’re very close to you parents. Do they live out here in L.A.?
MJ: Yes. My mother’s upstairs. My father’s at the office.
BC: What’s your typical day like?
MJ: Daydreaming most of the day. I get up early and get ready for whatever I’ve got to do, songwriting or whatever it is. Planning the future and stuff.
BC: Are you optimistic about the future?
MJ: Yes, I always like to plan ahead of time and follow up.
BC: Liza Minnelli’s a friend of yours, isn’t she?
MJ: How could I forget her? I’m crazy about Liza. Add her to that list of my favorite people. I just love her to death. We get on the phone and we just gossip, gossip, gossip. What I like about Liza is that when we get together it’s all show talk. I show her my favorite steps and she shows me hers. She’s a show-stopping performer, too. She has real charisma. In the future I’d like to record her. I think a person like her should be heard on the radio and accepted and that whole thing. She’s magic on stage.
BC: Do you care about fashion much?
MJ: No. I care about what I wear on stage. You know what I love, though? I don’t care about everyday clothes. I love putting on an outfit or a costume and just looking at myself in the mirror. Baggy pants or some real funky shoes and a hat and just feeling the character of it. That’s fun to me.
BC: You like to act a lot just in everyday life?
MJ: I love it so much. It’s escape. It’s fun. It’s just neat to become another thing, another person. Especially when you really believe it and it’s not like you’re acting. I always hated the word ‘acting’ to say, ‘I’m an actor.’ It should be more than that. It should be more like a believer.
BC: But isn’t that a little frightening when you believe it totally?
MJ: No, that’s what I love about it. I just like to really forget.
BC: Why do you want to forget so much? Do you think life is really hard?
MJ: No, maybe it’s because I just like jumping in other people’s lives and exploring. Like Charlie Chaplin. I just love him to death. The little tramp, the whole gear and everything, and his heart - everything he portrayed on the screen was a truism. It was his whole life. He was born in London, and his father died an alcoholic when he was six. His mother was in an insane asylum. He roamed the streets of England, begging, poor, hungry. All this reflects on the screen and that’s what I like to do, to bring all of those truths out.
BC: Do you care about making money?
MJ: I care about being paid fairly for what I do. When I approach a project, I put my whole heart and soul in it. Because I really care about it, I put everything I’ve got into it and I want to be paid. The guy who works should eat. It’s that simple.
BC: You follow your own business very closely then?
MJ: Oh, yes.
BC: How old are you?

MJ: Twenty-three.
BC: Do you sometimes feel as though you missed out on childhood because you’ve always been performing in the adult world?
MJ: Sometimes.
BC: But you like people older than yourself, experienced people.
MJ: I love experienced people. I love people who are phenomenally talented. I love people who’ve worked so hard and been so courageous and are the leaders in their fields. For me to meet somebody like that and learn from them, and share words with them - to me that’s magic. To work together. I’m crazy about Steven Spielberg. Another inspiration for me, and I don’t know where it came from, is children. If I’m down, I’ll take a book with children’s pictures and look at it and it will just lift me up. Being around children is magic.
BC: There is something positive and encouraging about them. You have a lot of animals don’t you?
MJ: I used to. Right now I only have two baby deer, one’s a boy and one’s a girl. They’re so sweet. They’re gorgeous.
BC: I’ll never understand how people can shoot deer.
MJ: I hate it. I hate taxidermy shops and all that crap. I have a llama. I have a sheep - he looks just like a ram with the horns. Louie is from the circus. He’s the llama. The ram is called Mr. Tibbs and the fawns are Prince and Princess.
BC: What are you going to do with them when they grow?
MJ: Let them go in the yard and stuff. We have just about two acres.
BC: What kind of car do you have?
MJ: A Rolls. A black one.
BC: Do you like driving it?
MJ: I never wanted to drive. My parents forced me to drive. Quincy doesn’t drive. A lot of people I know don’t drive.
BC: Andy [Warhol] doesn’t drive.
MJ: That’s smart. But it’s good when you want a little independence to get away. But I don’t go many places. I don’t know many places. I just drive down the street.
BC: You don’t go out much?
MJ: Only to go to the Golden Temple, a health food restaurant. I’m a vegetarian. Or I go to
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BC: Are you interested in art?
MJ: I love to draw - pencil, ink pen - I love art. When I go on tour and visit museums in Holland, Germany or England - you know those huge paintings? I’m just amazed. You don’t think a painter could do something like that. I can look at a piece of sculpture or a painting and totally lose myself in it. Standing there watching it and becoming part of the scene. It can draw tears, it can touch you so much. See, that’s where I think the actor or performer should be - to touch that truth inside of the person. Touch that reality so much that they become a part of what you’re doing and you can take them anywhere you want to. You’re happy, they’re happy. Whatever the human emotion, they’re right there with you. I love realism. I don’t like plastics. Deep down inside we’re all the same. We all have the same emotions and that’s why a film like E.T. touches everybody. Who doesn’t want to fly like Peter Pan? Who doesn’t want to fly with some magic creature from outer space and be friends with him? Steven went straight to the heart. He knows - when in doubt, go for the heart.
BC: You’re religious, aren’t you?
MJ: Yes. I believe in the Bible and I believe in God whose name is Jehovah and that whole thing.
BC: Someone said that’s why you don’t shave.
MJ: Oh no! I don’t grow anything to shave. That’s got nothing to do with it.
BC: So you’re just a basic Christian.
MJ: I believe in truth.
BC: Do you read the Bible?
MJ: Yes, a lot.
BC: Do you go to church.
MJ: We don’t call it church. It’s Kingdom Hall. It’s Jehovah’s Witnesses.
BC: You mentioned that you are going to see Bette Midler tomorrow? Are you working on something together?
MJ: No, I go to this guy named Seth Riggs. When I sing, I like to get my voice all opened up - like a dancer warming up.
BC: So, it’s like breathing classes?
MJ: Right. And right after I do mine, in she comes. She’s always on time.
(Andy Warhol calls from New York)
ANDY WARHOL: Hello?
MJ: Hi.
AW: Gosh, this is exciting. You know, every time I use my Walkman I play your cassette on it.
MJ: Have you seen Liza lately?
AW: Yes, I did. She was in Europe but then I saw her at Halston’s fashion show. She changed her hairdo. Her hair looks more like yours now. It’s really curly in the front and she looks really different and it’s really pretty. She has a great new look. She went out to Halston’s last weekend and she’s in New York right now. How have you been?        
MJ: I’ve been in the studio a lot, writing lyrics and working on songs and stuff.
AW: I might go see an English rock group at the Ritz tonight called Duran Duran. Do you know them?
MJ: No.
AW: I went to see Blondie at the Meadowlands last week.
MJ: How was Blondie?
AW: She was great. She’s so terrific. Do you know her?
MJ: No, I never met her.        
AW: Well, when you come to New York I’ll introduce her. Going on tour is about the hardest thing to do in the world.
MJ: Tour is something - the pacing. But being on the stage is the most magic thing about it.
AW: I can’t wait until you do a really big movie. Have they asked you to do anything?
MJ: My room is loaded with scripts and offers. And a lot of them are great ideas. But the kind of person I am is that I have a person in mind that I’d like to work with and I’m trying to make sure I do the right thing. I just don’t want to make a mistake.
AW: Just do them all. You can’t make a mistake. You’re really good. Did you ever think you’d grow up to be a singer?
MJ: I don’t ever remember not singing, so I never dreamed of singing.
AW: Are you still collecting clothes? Do you have a good designer?
MJ: Actually, I don’t really get into that unless I’m going on stage. The only thing I like collecting is costumes or pirate coats or things like that. But everyday fashion I don’t get into.
AW: What do you wear?
MJ: Right now I have on corduroy pants with a big hole in the knee and a pink shirt and tie.
AW: Do you go out a lot or stay home?
MJ: I stay home.
AW: Why do you stay home? There’s so much fun out. When you come to New York we’ll take you out.
MJ: The only time I want to go out is when I’m in New York.
AW: Do you go to movies?
MJ: Oh, yes. We’re going to be working on the E.T. album. I had a picture session with E.T. and it was so wonderful. He’s hugging me and everything.
AW: I like Tron. It’s like playing the video games. Have you seen it?
MJ: Yes. It didn’t move me.
AW: Well, thanks a lot. See you soon.
MJ: I hope so. If you see Liza, say hello. Give her a big kiss and hug for me.
(AW signs off)
BC: Do you like the Rolling Stones? Do you know Mick at all?
MJ: I met him in a bathroom. He was in there with Keith - Keith Moon?
BC: Keith Richards.
MJ: Keith Richards. I came in there and said, ‘Oh, hi,’ and we just started talking. Then I just went back into my session. I don’t really know him that well.
BC: Do you read a lot?
MJ: Yes. I love to read. I like philosophy and short stories. I like to keep up with the latest best-sellers. The Calendar in the Sunday L.A. Times is my favorite paper. It really lets you know what’s going on everywhere. I have my favorite authors – it’s not like I just read the best-sellers. I like to see what they are doing and keep up with what people are interested in. There’s a lot of physical stuff now.
BC: Do you exercise?
MJ: Every Sunday I dance for 30 minutes straight without stopping. I love to do that.
BC: Why Sunday?
MJ: That’s just the day I pick. Like I fast every Sunday. I don’t eat anything. Just juices.
BC: Why do you do that?
MJ: It flushes out the system, cleans out the colon. I think that’s great. To really make it work you have to do it properly. That’s the sewer valve of the system. You have to keep that clean like you clean the outside of your body. All these impurities come out of your system because you’re not clean inside. It comes out in pimples or disease or through big pores. Toxins trying to get out of your system. People should try to keep themselves clean.
BC: You don’t read page one of the newspaper?
MJ: No. I might look at it but I won’t read it.
BC: Too depressing?
MJ: Yes. It’s always the same old thing. I like to make people happy. That’s what’s great about show business. It’s escapism. You pay your five bucks to get in and sit there and you’re in another world. Forget about the problems in the world. It’s wonderful. It’s entertaining. It’s magic.

Michaelk

先留个爪 细细看~~

lijuan3301

照片上绕着M的是"肌肉"?

半杯水

不错的采访。。细看。。

yanweixingfu

谢谢楼主分享...好长...我要找个集中的时间好好看

mj4everlover

ＬＺ啊，感谢好帖，收藏先，再慢看
BC：你小时候喜欢表演吗？一直都喜欢吗？
MJ：一直喜欢。我一向喜欢在舞台上的感觉——那里是魔法的发生地。当我登上舞台，那感觉简直就像有魔力突然发生，灵感击中你，而你也失去控制。
想要知道自己生来是否就是为舞台而生的，看看你是否有这种＇灵感击中你，而你也失去控制＂的感觉，若有了，那敢紧拜师集训去吧．

左岸忧伤

先谢谢楼主，然后坐下来慢慢看

kazukimoon

80年代初斯的迈真像个充满活力的小话唠

看来从那时起他就很宅了……
不断学习，开阔见识，虔诚的信仰和生活规律，不能想象他当时正在制作的《Thriller》将会颠覆世界~

yanghui517

深度访谈，十分有内容哇~
辛苦楼主！

moozi75

就算是三十年前的采访回答今天的问题也同样适用，就好像他一直都没变过

Ps.MJ好会养生啊，排毒那段说的和安利的一样样~~

marryjj

谢谢分享！
想想二十多年前的MJ，真是内心充满了激情和斗志！