转载：Michael Jackson : 爱，性和花花公子杂志 （翻译完毕）

zhangnini

我相信M有色情杂志或收藏，但只是对数量表示质疑。看这些东西，在我看来在正常、平常不过了。

alextoalex

不过，对这些色情杂志是不是MJ的，持怀疑态度。
飞扬清婉 发表于 2010-5-3 21:40

为什么怀疑？很好奇你的解释。

Seaful

早晨看这贴时不太舒服，因为我一直将迈克尔的勤奋、热爱自然、关怀人性和童真善良作为理想和榜样，而本贴内容就不在我已接受的范围内了。
但是，现在我发现这与以上的美德并不冲突，还使我心中的迈克尔更加几分可爱，真实。
谢谢楼主及此帖！使我对迈的理解又深了一点。

found

收集色情刊物没什么的，在USA这又不犯法，属于合法出版物。

MJ愿意研究就研究呗。基本上每个男孩子都看过 ...
飞扬清婉 发表于 2010-5-3 21:40

   真正的playboy不会看《palyboy》?这是什么理论？看不看porn跟他有没有sexual life没有必然的联系吧，这是两回事.我不是说MJ是个滥交的人，即便LZ先前提到的所有都是真的，对一个全球知名的巨星来说那已经是很自侓的了.只是觉得你的理论有点weird.

飞扬清婉

真正的playboy不会看《palyboy》?这是什么理论？看不看porn跟他有没有sexual life没有必然的联系吧 ...
found 发表于 2010-5-3 23:11

电影啊,小说啊,琼瑶剧啊,很大一部分程度上为了满足人们不能达到的幻想，从真实生活中获得片刻解脱。

武侠小说为什么会被称为成人童话.因为真实生活中你没办法这样快意恩仇，纵横天下

不是有条网络理论嘛，在网络上聊天多的不会有很多漂亮MM，因为真正很漂亮的MM都在忙着约会，没有时间上网。

所以没有钓到女孩，没什么约会的男的，可能才有更多的空闲时间看《playboy》，及对《playboy》有更多依赖。

MJ显然不属于钓不到女孩的类型，所以只能说明他比较自律，不那么随便。

飞扬清婉

为什么怀疑？很好奇你的解释。
alextoalex 发表于 2010-5-3 21:50

我没有看到警方书面证词说这是从MJ房间里搜出的,并且证实是MJ的杂志。

有些新闻的东西，我不敢乱信。

alextoalex

回复 611# 飞扬清婉
这是当时警方的记录所找到的porn的所处的位置，基本上都在master bedroom里，你可以自己看。



MJ的律师THOMAS MESEREAU 当时的话：

    The THRILLER singer’s attorney THOMAS MESEREAU told jurors his famous client had a healthy interest in adult females, on the second day of Jackson’s child molestation trial in Santa Maria.

    Mesereau said, “Mr Jackson will tell you he found these kids going through his briefcase and he grabbed these magazines and locked them in this briefcase. “Mr Jackson will freely admit he does read girlie magazines PLAYBOY and HUSTLER, (but) absolutely denies showing them to children.”

如果你想要，我可以给你那些porn的名单。承认MJ有pron而且还有不少porn就这么难，那么挑剔的jurors都相信了，你可是不太容易接受这个。

飞扬清婉

回复  飞扬清婉
这是当时警方的记录所找到的porn的所处的位置，基本上都在master bedroom里，你可以自己看 ...
alextoalex 发表于 2010-5-3 23:37

谢谢共享,但没说有多少本啊。

你那里有详细清单吗？

   
PS：MJ看色情杂志，倒让他显得更真实可爱些。

dora

回复 604# alextoalex    
我就是认为不好。。你可能很喜欢啃色情读物的他认为他这样很好这样才算是热血男人， 但是我不觉得这样好。
我不认为这样就是真正的男人了。如果mj是asexual, 照样也是。为什么一定要色才是， 要有色情读物才是啊？
总之我认为那个briefcase还不确定是他的。 就算是他的也没什么大不了不用继续辩。不过，大家弄得好像特惊讶 ‘原来mj是这样子的’。有些歌迷就想要一个色mj， 到处flirt到处干女人就故意忽视他对性的心理障碍的问题。这样就不能还原真实的mj咯。 只是mj flirtatious这是表面化的东西。他是那种flirt, flirt, flirt但因为童年阴影要做就害怕的那种。brooke shields说they became close because sexuality is not part of their friendship.
那个mark Lester说

Michael suffered from shyness and fear of groupies and would not have sex with anyone. He said: “Michael found it very difficult to have relationships with women. He found the sexual act something he couldn’t do. When he was about 16 or 17 he had a very famous female child star who basically jumped on him, naked in his hotel room, and tried to seduce him. He became very scared, and found it so disturbing he couldn’t perform. Michael wasn’t gay. But I’d say he was asexual. He was very conscious of his own body. He had vitiligo ”

馒头妹joanna thomae说他们没有sex. mj说madonna scared him..因为什么？她太主动要跟他有sex， 吓倒mj. 另外， 又因为自己的vitiligo， 特别没自信. 这也是为什么lisa marie说他怪从不让她看他。 tatum o neal， 他跟她也没有sex.

O'Neal told a friend: "How can any girl have a relationship with him? When we're together, he's so shy he hardly says two words. "I know he's a virgin. I wonder if he's afraid to have sex. He doesn't seem very interested."

mj自己在lwmj也说了， he's scared he covered his face. 不过跟tatum那时他还年轻， 那时特别害羞。后来很会flirt没那么害羞了。 但是对性爱这种障碍恐惧不是那么容易就能消除。但也许因为这样，为好奇和无法实际行动，只好在porn stash里面解欲。如果是这样那他很可怜。另外，有个人说过， 忘了谁说lisa marie brought out the testosterone in him. 除了lisa marie, 我估计也没有别人能够这样帮到他了。 据说Shana就是glenda tape里面的melissa, 除了lisa marie外， 他最有可能就是跟她有过性关系了。跟debbie rowe不可能。 还有跟diana ross 也没有。因为glenda tape里面他说it all happens in his head.

type了这么多， 重点就是他只flirt， 但因为童年经历留下的阴影造成的心理障碍以及非常严格的宗教教育bg，他没办法跟人有性关系。
这个帖子只是针对那些因为他很会flirt就以为他可以很随心所欲跟人有性关系的人做的回复。

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dora

回复 612# alextoalex
ok..great info.

alextoalex

谢谢共享,但没说有多少本啊。

从描绘情况看，似乎没有几千本那么多。

你那里有详细清单吗？

  ...
飞扬清婉 发表于 2010-5-3 23:47

OMG ， 你从哪里得来几千本杂志的说法， MJ要被你冤死了，麻烦看文仔细一点好吗，这是Love， Sex， Playboy的原文：

82 porn magazines, 1700 pornographic images on just one of the four hard drives in his bedroom, 8 DVDs, 28 Naturist Magazines, Dozens of Photos of Naked Women (some reported to be famous), an article on the G spot and one on the Second G-Spot.

俺们的翻译：

82本色情杂志，在卧室里的4个硬盘中光一个硬盘中就有1700张色情图片。8张DVD，28本天体主义杂志，数打裸体女人的照片（据报道有些是名人），一篇关于G点的文章，和一篇关于第二G点的文章。

哪里提到了几千本色情杂志了？？？


这是当时的法庭证据清单， 你自己看吧。

1 E X H I B I T S

2 FOR IN

3 PLAINTIFF’S NO. DESCRIPTION I.D. EVID.

4 471 Photo of female image 3711
5 472 Photo of female image 3711
6 473 Photo of female image 3711
7 474 Photo of female image 3711
8 475 Photo of female image 3711
9 476 Hustler centerfold,
10 August 1992 3711
11 477 Playboy centerfold, Miss October 3711
12 478 Registration card for
13 briefcase 3711
14 479 Playboy centerfold, Miss November 3711
15 480 Playboy centerfold,
16 Miss March 3711
17 481 Hustler centerfold, June 1993 3711
18 482 Page 28 from “G-Spot”
19 article 3711
20 483 Playboy centerfold, unknown date 3711
21 484 Penthouse Page No. 153-154 3711
22 485 Centerfold, Miss May 3711
23 486 Penthouse, Page 8 3711
24 487 Penthouse centerfold 3711
25 488 Playboy centerfold 3711
26 489 Penthouse centerfold 3711
27 490 Penthouse, August 1991 3711
28 491 Penthouse centerfold 3711

1 E X H I B I T S

2 FOR IN PLAINTIFF’S NO. DESCRIPTION I.D. EVID.

4 492 Club International centerfold 3711
5 493 Penthouse, double page 6/211 3711
6 494 Penthouse centerfold 3711
7 495 Penthouse, May 1992 3711
8 496 Hustler, Centerfold Special Holiday Honey 1991 3711
9 497 Penthouse centerfold 3711
10 498 Penthouse centerfold 3711
11 499 Penthouse, November 1991,
501 Playboy Magaine, Centerfold Miss November, SBSO 31
502 Playboy Nagazine, Centerfold Miss February (Not same:
503 Playboy Magazine, Centerfold Miss December, SBSO #3
504 Al Golstein’s 100 Best Adult Videos Advertisement, SBSO
505 Playboy Magazine, Centerfold SBSO #31722
506 Hustler Magazine Cover, May 1992, SBSO #317BBB
508 Page from Unknown Magazine, SBSO #317CCC
509 Brown Paper Envelope, SBSO #317F
510 Stiff Dick for Lynn Magazine (In Notebook), SBSO #317
511 Barely Legal Magazine, SBSO #3171
512 Just Legal Magazine, (Premier Issue) (In Notebook), SBSO
513 Finally Legal Magazine (In Notebook), SBSO #317L
514 Playboy Magazine, February 1993 (In Notebook), SBSO #317M
515 Hustler Magazine, Barely Legal (In Notebook), SBSO #3170
516 Playboy Magazine, December 1994 (In Notebook), SBSO #317P
517 Playboy Magazine, May 1994 (In Notebook), SBSO #317Q
518 Hustler Magazine, Barely Legal (In Notebook), SBSO #317R
519 Penthouse Magazine (In Notebook), SBSO #317S
520 Visions of Fantasy Magazine, A Hard Rock Affair (In Notebook), SBSO #3171
521 Visions of Fantasy Magazine, Sam Jose’s Black Starlett (In Notebook), SBSO
522 Double Dicking Caroline Magazine (In Notebook) SBSO #317V
523 Big Tits and a Hard Stud Magazine
524 Hustler Magazine, sBSO #317X
525 “The Second Female G-Spot” Article (In Notebook) SBSO #317BB
526 File Folder Title PRN, SBSBO #317DDD
527 File Folder Titled, “Thank You” SBSO #317EEE
528 Celebrity Skin Magazine (In Notebook) SBSO #317FFF

4 531 Oui, March 1998 in binder 3701
5 532 Over 50, Volume 5, #9, 1996 in binder 3700
6 533 XX rated, April 1995; XX
7 Close Up, April 1995 in binder 3701
8 534 Just 18, Volume 4,
9 Issue No. 10 3700
10 535 Plumpers centerfold 3700
11 536 Hustler, August 1992 in binder 3700
12 537 Hustler, April 1998
13 (No cover) in binder 3699
14 538 Penthouse, March 1992 in binder 3699
15 539 Juggs, June 1996
16 in binder 3699
17 540 44 Plus, June 1996 in binder 3699
18 541 Plumpers, May 1996
19 in binder 3698
20 542 Club International, March 1998 in binder 3698
21
543 Live Young Girls, September
22 2003 in binder 3701
23 544 Finally Legal, July 2003 in notebook 3702
24 545 Finally Legal Freshman Class
25 Orgy, August 2002 in binder 3702
26 546 Purely 18, October 2002 3703 in binder
27 547 Purely 18, December 2002
28 in binder 3703

1 E X H I B I T S

2 FOR IN PLAINTIFF’S NO. DESCRIPTION I.D. EVID.
3 548 Tight, November 2002
4 in binder 3703
5 549 Hawk, November 2002 in binder 3704
6 550 Hawk, January 2003
7 in binder 3704
8 551 Live Young Girls, June 2003 in binder 3704
9 554 Girlfriends in binder 3709
10 555 Live Young Girls in binder 3709
11 556 Parade 3709
12 557 Finally Legal, February 2003
13 in binder 3710
14 558 Girls of Barely Legal in binder 3710
15 559 Hawk, February 2003 in binder 3710
16 560 Girlfriends, Special Ediitons
17 in binder 3711
18 563 White binder containing The Girls of Penthouse, August
19 2003 in binder 3708
20 564 White binder containing Barely Legal, July 200
21 in binder 3708
24 Gallery 5/2002 3708
25 580 Binder containing Playboy
26 Couples Volume 2, Issue 2 3707
27 584 Original evidence bag 3707
28 3602
1 E X H I B I T S
2 FOR IN PLAINTIFF’S NO. DESCRIPTION I.D. EVID.
4 585 White binder containing Barely Legal, Anniversary
5 2002 3707
6 586 Original evidence bag 3705
7 587 White binder containing Naughty Neighbors, December
15 317-O, Hustler Barely Legal 3621 3643

DVDs:

Pimps Up, Hos Down (documentary)
4 Barely Legal DVDs (Fresh Picked Pink, Dirty Teens Come Clean, Hot! Wet! Tight! Pink! and f**k Me I’m Legal)
Michael Ryan’s Believe It Or Not
Sloppy Dogs Presents: f**k Me, I’m a Bad Girl
Adult World #2

Internet pornography:

    With the ruling, jurors were denied the chance to sample the offerings of Websites such as VarsityTeens.com, TeenSteam.com and Slut1.com. One hard drive alone contained 1,700 photos of “adult erotic material,” Santa Barbara County Deputy District Attorney Gordon Auchincloss said.

1 Item #346: MacIntosh Power Book G3 laptop computer found in Jackson’s master bedroom;
2 which contained:
21 graphic nude female images from “Teen Sex” Internet site.
4 Item #347a: Power Mac G4 located in Jackson’s master bedroom; which contained:
5 19 graphic nude female images;
6 Records of multiple visits to the following websites:
www.varsityteens.com
7 www.adoptablekids.com
8 www.adoption.com -
9 Item #347b: Power Mac G4 located in Jackson’s master bedroom; which contained:
10 10 teenage sex imaging; documentation of user LD as “King 777 tut / privacy 969.”
11 Item #344 Sony, Vaio model PCV —- W20 laptop computer, located adjacent to the master
bedroom; which contained:
12
- Adult erotica: user ID:“Marcel Jackson / Dr. Black.”

stroller

user LD as “King 777 tut / privacy 969.”、 user ID:“Marcel Jackson / Dr. Black.”alextoalex 发表于 2010-5-4 00:11

好玩，取个ID也藏头露尾的。
怪不得保镖说他出门前伪装了半天还非要穿个白袜子、黑懒汉鞋。
不过好歹他还会用马甲。

alextoalex

回复 614# dora
我不想判断这好或是不好，道德或不道德，在我看来，只要不触犯法律，我不想评价太多。而且男人看porn，对我来说很正常，我不明白为什么放在MJ身上就是那么不可接受了。你认为

他没办法跟人有性关系

随你这么想。我觉得至少从性生活来看，他是挺正常一男人，或许因为他的身份地位，他可能比普通男人有更多的机会，就这么回事，何必那么纠结。宗教教育的影响如果真的那么深的话，MJ当时就不会离开那个教会了。

PS：我还真没看见有谁是这么想的，

因为他很会flirt就以为他可以很随心所欲跟人有性关系

你太过虑了呢，完全是一个极端走向另一个极端。

简.爱

话说有哪个男人没看过色情杂志的，我认识的一些男孩子就每期都买，当然我没看过。

yue7

先做个记号！！