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MJ死亡案10月12日第11天审判专贴(新闻,图片,讨论,直播)

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发表于 2011-10-13 00:15:48 | 显示全部楼层
MkGenie 发表于 2011-10-12 23:59
现在只是检方呈递案情结束

等莫里那边的人跨上法庭为莫里辩护时

希望他们不要公布什么难受的东西 但是可悲的是我们管不了他们 嘴在他们那里 说什么都可以
在阴险的世界,你无愧
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发表于 2011-10-13 00:29:52 | 显示全部楼层
我们会共同渡过。
莫名地想你
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发表于 2011-10-13 00:32:54 | 显示全部楼层
也只有这样一起默默陪着他!
亲爱的迈迈我爱你^^^^^^
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发表于 2011-10-13 00:44:54 | 显示全部楼层
这比替罪羊佣金肯定不菲

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发表于 2011-10-13 01:13:26 | 显示全部楼层
Alan Steinberg Cardiologist

as a cardiologist is not an expert in anesthesia, sleep meecine, addiction drugs
board certified = took a course and 2 days test that covers the basics of cardiology. 90% of the people who take it pass it

Has reviewed CM's resume. Cm was not board certified on june 25th 2009.

he's an expert reviewer for the California Medical Board : reviews other doctors' actions to ensure the standard of care has been respected; Extreme deviation from staard of care = gross negligence;

has conduted a review for the cali medical board in this case.

Has conduted 8 different reviews : in 4 found no deviation, in 4 other found simple deviation of care. First time he's seen an extreme deviation from standard of care.

Cardiologists use sedation for many procedure, so he's used to sedation. As a cadiologist he's an expert in mild or moderate sedation; Conscious sedation : you're still able to talk. Cardiologists are trained in moderate sedation or conscious sedation.
Deep sedation = only responsive to pain or repeated stimula. As a cariologist, not trained in deep sedation.
When Deep sedation is needed, calls anesthesiologist, because as a cardiologist he's not trained to do that.
Mild or moderate sedation : uses benzos. Deep sedation : uses propofol with an anesthesiologist.

Has reviewed this case : has focused his review based on CM interview with police : wanted to judge CM on his own words.

Found 6 seperate extreme deviation from standard of care

1 propofol was not medically indicated. Never heard of propofol used for insomnia. Using propofol for insomnia is an extreme deviation
No written informed consent : the patient must be informe of the risks and benefits

2 propofol given in a home setting, without proper equimpent and proper staff :
equipment needed : pulse oximeter with an alarm, Murray's didn't have an alarm. Automated blood pressure cuff, to check blood pressure at least every 5 mn. Murray had a manual cuff and did not use it. EKG machine. Oxygen + nasual cannula or mask, Suction in case you regurgitate into your lungs, an Ambu bag. Murray had an ambu bag but did not use it (did mouth to mouth). Have a way to call for help . Backboard : in case you need to give CPR. A back up battery in case of a black out for the equipment. Device that keeps the airway open, equipment to rescue the airway (endotracheal tube). The endotracheal tube requires trained staff.
A patient can become oversedated, where a patient goes from moderate to deep sedation.
You need a defibrilator.
Need special drugs : fluamzenil, narcan, lidocaine, betablockers, atropine, dopamine, epinephrine, prednisone, dextrose (missed one, sorry)
deep sedation : you need a trained Bls & ACLS assistant
bls = basic life support. ACLS : adanced cardiac life support.

3 inadequate preparation for an emergency : have the drugs ready, equipment ready, have a person ready to help you

4 improper care during the arrest : didn't follow proper protocol; arrest = cardiac arrest = heart stops beating. No blood pressure, the patient collapses. Call 911, use a defibrilator, and do CPR on a hard surface.
In MJ's case , it was a repiratory arrest : the oxygen goes down, the heart beats harder : this is where CM found MJ, based on CM's words. If you do nothing, the heart weakens because of lack of oxygen, and stops contracting but there is still an electrical activity. Thats PEA. After PEA, there's asystoly.
Should have called 911 immediately, tried to awake MJ (heart wound ??), give flumazenil, should have used the ambu bag. Should NOT have done CPR, because there was a pulse.

Cpr was poor quality, because MJ was on a bed. Says it would have been very easy to put MJ on the floor.

5 failing to call for help. Should have called 911 immediately. Instead called MAW, caused a further delay.
For every minute delay in calling EMS, there are less and less chances the patient will survive, and there is a risk of permanent brain damage.
Thought it was bizarre and strange to call an assistant instead of calling 911.

6 failure to maintain proper medical records. Important because of insurane companies, litigation, better health care. Dr Murray did not document anything at all. Cm was confused (or dihonest) and was not able to explain MJ's history or what he gave him to the ER doctoe or EMTs.

These extreme deviations lead to MJ's death. Without these deviation, Mj would still be alive.

Even with only 25mg propofol pthe risk of respiratory depression is still here.

Even if MJ took pills or self administered, the extreme deviations still stand and still lead to MJ's death. If MJ self administered, means that Murray was away, and that should not have happened. Compares leaving a patient under propofol to leaving a baby sleeping on he kitchen counter.
Medication should not have been within MJ's reach

End of direct exam. Recess.

Excellent witness, he did a fantastic job. I'm in love.
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发表于 2011-10-13 01:22:31 | 显示全部楼层
现在是谁在场上……以及谁能给个比TMZ声音大的网站……我切菜的时候什么都听不清╮(╯_╰)╭

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這個好像有大聲那麼一點點 http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/livevideo?id=8361777  发表于 2011-10-13 01:56
Don't do your best, do what you can...
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发表于 2011-10-13 01:43:12 | 显示全部楼层
Defense Drops Jackson Propofol Claim
Text Story by: Associated Press
Oct 12, 2011 10:40 a.m.


Attorneys for the doctor charged in Michael Jackson's death say the defense is dropping its claim that the superstar self-administered a fatal dose of the anesthetic propofol.

Lawyer J. Michael Flanagan said Wednesday that a study commissioned by the defense showed any effect from swallowing propofol would be trivial.

Deputy District Attorney David Walgren and Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor appeared surprised by the disclosure, which was not made in front of jurors.

Lead defense attorney Ed Chernoff said during opening statements on Sept. 27 that his team would try to show that Jackson gave himself the fatal dose of propofol.

Murray has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter.

太神奇了!莫里的团队太给力了!

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实在很神奇,眼看自我注射和口服异丙酚的故事都行不通了,他们现在新编了劳拉西泮的故事。莫里就不能说出真相,直接认罪?别浪费大家时间了。  发表于 2011-10-13 01:55
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发表于 2011-10-13 01:46:23 | 显示全部楼层
MkGenie 发表于 2011-10-12 23:59
现在只是检方呈递案情结束

等莫里那边的人跨上法庭为莫里辩护时

现在已经不行了,可磨难才刚开始……
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发表于 2011-10-13 01:59:03 | 显示全部楼层
證人說從來沒聽說有人用異丙酚幫助睡眠,直到聽說莫裡這麼做~
律師淩亂了- -
簡直就是亂問一氣。。。
好證人!!
Don't do your best, do what you can...
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发表于 2011-10-13 02:10:23 | 显示全部楼层
这个证人看着顺眼
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发表于 2011-10-13 02:16:37 | 显示全部楼层
哈哈律師沒話找話真是可笑極了
看他怎麼囂張哈哈哈哈
Don't do your best, do what you can...
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发表于 2011-10-13 02:30:13 | 显示全部楼层
这个证人医生太牛啊!!!!! 乐死我了。莫里的律师已经疯了
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发表于 2011-10-13 02:31:32 | 显示全部楼层
如果我沒聽錯, 今天這個證人醫生回答的讓辨方快要趴在地上問不出話了.看了真過癮, 他好像一直大力強調莫里醫生的醫療疏失

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Absolutely!!聽著爽啊~  发表于 2011-10-13 02:34
Though we're far apart, you're always in my heart.
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发表于 2011-10-13 02:34:11 | 显示全部楼层
證人:我個人認為應該先打911
律師:如果他叫了安保呢?
證人:有叫安保的時間他早打完911了。他只要兩秒撥號然後說我是醫生,現在來XXXXXXX(地址)然後話筒放那開始做自己的該做的事情。911會知道去哪裡,他們會馬上趕來。
律師:………………………………
(估計他很想回頭痛駡莫裡你這個龜孫子幹了些什麽鳥事,滾你丫的我才不給你當律師,你快去死吧)

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太痛快了,謝謝翻譯  发表于 2011-10-13 02:37
Don't do your best, do what you can...
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发表于 2011-10-13 02:43:36 | 显示全部楼层
庭审听得我欢乐死了~律师完全被搞得结结巴巴没话找话~证人步步紧逼滴水不漏~事实证明为了钱为莫里那众矢之的辩护的人可是没有好下场的哟~~律师就不要跟一个医生对峙嘛,医学术语什么都不懂还乱问白痴的问题~对面证人心里狂笑,哈哈哈哈

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是的,这个医生很给力~~  发表于 2011-10-13 09:37
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