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下面是05年MJ审判期间,MJ的这位朋友Dick Gregory -- 黑人演员兼民权运动家接受 NPR的采访. 有点长.
July 12, 2005
Whether espousing a theory on the war in Iraq, the JFK assassination or Michael Jackson's legal troubles, comedian and civil rights activist Dick Gregory is not afraid to speak his mind. Gregory talks about his latest interests, including Gregory's role as a personal adviser to Michael Jackson.
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ED GORDON, host:
From NPR News, this is NEWS & NOTES. I'm Ed Gordon.
He's known first for his years as a comedian and activist for civil rights, but he's also known as a health guru, giving advice to many for better living, including celebrities, most recently, Michael Jackson, who he assisted during the singer's trial. In fact, before the proceedings began, the comedian proclaimed Jackson innocent of child molestation charges. Gregory fasted 40 days to focus on what he called the truth in the case. Over the years, Gregory has also been well known for his eagerness to spot a conspiracy, whether the subject is identity theft, the war in Iraq or the death of Princess Diana. Our conversation won't disappoint those looking for conspiracy theories. We started by talking about the war in Iraq.
Mr. DICK GREGORY: You take a Christian praying society like America, that the Bible talks about no killing, and yet we can justify that, when certain people ask us to, and it seems just strange that the lies that we told to get in there, and that seems not to bother the American people, because what we seem to do--as long as you have power, you will tolerate it. But let some welfare mothers or some hillbilly white women got us involved in something, they'd be dead now. And so when you stop and think about all the people that seems to be able to control it and decide, you know, what's going to happen, they have no loved ones over there.
My belief is, you know, certain things have to be explained that's never been explained. Now what do you do? You go in, you disrupt something, and you can't just run out. But it looked like we would be able to bring the decent people together around the world with a Nelson Mandela type, and women, and say, `Look, how can we undo what we've done and call for a truce and ask governments all over the world to--let's set it up like a Marshall Plan, to see to it that the killing can stop?'
And the other thing that bothers me, Ed, if there is a problem in Washington, DC, with car bombs, they'd just rope off the street. Now if you got all these car bombs that's killing folks in Baghdad, you just say, `OK, as of such-and-such a day, no more cars unless they're official cars, will be permitted in Baghdad, and we going to furnish free transportation.' That seems simple, and I don't know why we not doing that, which leads me to believe there's more behind what we doing over there than they telling us.
GORDON: We know it's a different time and age, and things revolve and change with the season, but for someone who was so vocal in perhaps the most volatile time in this country's recent history, the 1960s, when you see the silence of Americans today, not questioning so much in the world, the administration in general, are you at all disappointed in what you're seeing?
Mr. GREGORY: People are frightened. I never thought I'd see the day that I would see white folks as frightened, or more so, than black folks was during the civil rights movement when we was in Mississippi. When I go through the airport and see white women walking through the airport barefooted, like athlete's feet don't exist, there's something wrong. And fear for a nation have the same effect on a nation as fear of a human being. It tears up the immune system, it destroys the inner structure. Listen, when you frighten people and scare people, they lose all reasoning, and that's where we are today.
When they announce that 40 million credit card information have been compromised, and then they tell us the FBI--this happened two months ago--the FBI said, `Hey, wait a minute. Hold it. Don't tell nobody that. We inve'--how you going to investigate if somebody got my credit card? And matter of fact, one of my credit cards was on that list. Now here's what I'm saying: I've always believed that every other month we hear about compromisation of bank records, I think that's the CIA and the FBI. Now let me tell you why I'm saying this. I don't believe no insignificant pip-squeak is going to be able to pull this off month after month and we can't find out what's going on.
The other thing is, suppose I didn't know my credit card had been compromised, and suppose they buy some tickets--and I'm talking about the CIA and the FBI--for some terrorists, and all at once the world hears `Dick Gregory was arrested for buying tickets for terrorists on his credit card.' Well, people like you and people who know me that--know that's not true, but most of the people in the world, they don't know that. The FBI and the CIA is probably the two most evil entities that ever existed in the history of the planet, and they do stuff in this country that would make Hitler blush. |
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