又一轮风暴即将来临？——93指控者叔父的《大曝光》一书将发行！！

"Then what's the next step?" "By the way, he never did those either. The next step, we went back home to LA and he continued doing the things I hadn't stopped him from doing." “Is this before the summer or during the summer?” “I’m sure it was during the summer.” "The next step?" "In L.A., he continued those things.” “Which things?” “Rubbing up against me, having an erection and kissing for long periods of time." "And having an erection?" "Yes." "Then what was the next step?" "Then we went to Monaco.” “When did you go to Monaco?” “During the summer, I think. My mom - - ” [Early May, 1993.] “And in Monaco?” “In Monaco, he and I both had colds so we couldn't go out on the town or whatever and see the sights. We had to stay in and that's pretty much when the bad stuff happened." "What happened?" "I don't know. I think when he convinced me to take a bath with him or something. See, my mom and Kelly were gone, they were having fun and we were stuck in with colds. And my mom, I remember, she offered to stay in and help us and take care of us, and Michael insisted that our colds shouldn't detract from them having fun. So we were alone and we took a bath together. That was the first time we ever saw each other naked. And during that time when we were alone in the room and they were gone, he talked about how all of his children friends masturbate in front of him." "Did he say which children friends did it?" "Yeah." "Which children friends did he say masturbated him?" "Masturbated in front of him." "Oh, masturbated in front of him. Okay, who did he say masturbated in front of him?" "He said Peter Davis, Ian Roberts, Tommy Jones, Billy Williams - he was also on TV." "He was also on TV and he said what?" "'Michael and I do sleep in the same bed but Michael has never touched me.'" "He's lying or Michael's lying?" "Well, I don't - as far as I know he's not lying. Michael never did touch him, as far as I know. But Michael said that Billy masturbated in front of him." "So Billy didn't say on TV anything about masturbation?" "No No. And so, other kids - - Wait, I got to think of this kid’s name, Sam Thomas." "Who's he?" "A boy who went on the Bad tour with him. That’s the name of the tour before this one." "You say, Bad tour, is that the name of the tour?" "Bad, Yes." “They called it the Bad tour.” “Named after his album.” "So what else happened, if anything?" "So he was talking about how all these kids masturbated in front of him, and he said that - - Oh, by the way, I met Tommy and Billy during that time period, and Peter Davis as well. So he was saying that all these kids masturbate and it feels really good, and so one time he masturbated in front of me. That was the first time." "He masturbated in front of you?" "Um, like, he didn't make me watch and like he was on the bed masturbating, and, I don't know, I was changing." "This is when you had colds in Monaco?" "Yeah. I don't know if I was standing in the same room or not, but it wasn't like he shut the door and closed everything." "Where was he and where were you?" "He was on the bed, in the room. I was, I may have been getting ready in the bathroom, or in the - - We had a large closet and so I maybe was getting dressed in there." "But you saw him?" "Yeah." "Go ahead, next thing." "And so he continued that for, like, a lot of the trip. And he kept on saying, 'Tell me when you're ready and I'll do it for you.' Because up till then I had never masturbated or anything. And I had never, ever, indicated to him that I was ready, like, to be masturbated. And I guess that wasn't according to his plans, and so, one time he just reached over and said, "Okay, just tell me how this feels.' And he put his hand on my - - " "And this was in Monaco?" "Right. And he put his hand on my shorts and he said, 'Now doesn't that feel good.' And he rubbed up and down. And I said 'Yeah.'" "Did he masturbate you to orgasm, to climax?" "Well, then he said, 'Well wait, it gets even better,' and he put his hand under my shorts and masturbated me to the end." "Is that the very first climax you had in your life?" "Yeah. Well wait, during that summer I had a, what's it called, a wet something?" "You mean at night, while you're asleep?" "Yeah." "You mean a wet dream." "Yeah." "Okay, these were spontaneous. Did you have orgasms in your wet dreams?” “I had one and that was it.” “But it was the same feeling?” “Yeah.” “So that was your first, was in the wet dream?” “Right.” “And then so your first orgasm outside of a wet dream was when he masturbated you?" "Right." “Okay.” "What was the next step?" "And he, like, continued that. He stopped everything else that we were originally doing together; we just took baths. And we went to Euro-Disney after we went to Monaco." "Anything else at Monaco other than what you told me?" "Uh-uh." "About how many times would you say he masturbated you at Monaco?" "I don't know." "What were your feelings about it then?" "Well, um, I said, this is really weird, like I never said I was ready then. But I said to myself, it feels good so, just, whatever, and he's my friend, so I can't be - - " "And while he was masturbating you, what was he doing?" "Just that, nothing." "Okay. Is there anything more about Monaco?" "No." "Okay, what’s the next thing?" "The next thing, we went to Euro-Disney." "When was that?" "After Monaco, because Monaco’s in France as well as Euro-Disney, so we went from Monaco to Euro-Disney." "And how long were you at Euro-Disney?" "I don't know, a week or two at most.” “Was this during the summer?” “I don’t know. No, wait, no actually now that I remember, up ‘til now, nothing was past the summer now that I remember, because - - ” “So, Monaco was before the summer?” “Everything.” “Euro-Disney was before the summer?” “Yes, everything. Now I remember because I had a book to read for finals. It was called To Kill A Mockingbird. Supposedly that was one of his favorite books. And so he helped me study and he read the book to me and then he continued to masturbate me." "By the way, if this was before the summer, this is the school time. When you're in all these other places, what's going on with school?" "Well, I managed to still get all As; I brought my book with me." "Did the school permit this?" "Yeah." "What happened at Euro-Disney?" "He continued to masturbate me." "About how many times do you think?" "About once a day. And that was it for Euro-Disney - and France, in general." "Okay, that was it with Euro-Disney. Anything else?" "You mean Euro-Disney?" "Yeah." "I think we might have taken a bath together." "On one occasion?" "I don't know. It may have been one, it may have been not at all." "Okay, next phase, next step." "Next step, okay. We went home, back to L.A. again. Let's see, I remember, my dad, just as before, last year, was to help me study for finals, and so I was going to go to his house. And my dad and Michael, they had never met before, I don't think. And so, I was going to go to my dad's house and stay over there for, like, the weekend. And he was going to help me study. And that really saddened Michael that we would have to separate. So he stayed over there during that weekend." "At your father's house?" "That's right. That's the only time." [Actually, there were two weekends.] "Okay, we're talking about June now? June of ’93?" "Late May." "And then?" "And then he masturbated me there, and one time when he was masturbating me, um, instead, he masturbated me with his mouth." "So he put his mouth on your penis?" "Yes. Then, um, from that point, till the end of our relationship, he masturbated me with his mouth. And that was as far as it went." "About how many occasions did he do that?" "I don't know but I can tell you where." "Where did it take place?" "In my father's house, his Hideout, my mother's house, and Neverland." "Okay, so these are four different places, so obviously it had to happen at least four times. Right?" "Oh yeah, of course." "But I want you to give me a guess - - " "Okay. More than fifteen, that's safe. But he had me masturbate him." "On how many occasions?" "About ten. And he said that - - he had me - - he got me to twist one of his nipples while I sucked on the other and he masturbated himself." "Was there ever any anal contact at any time?" "No." "Most men, when they masturbate - whether they be masturbated by someone else or doing it alone - most men have some thoughts in their mind. Sometimes they don't but most often they do. When he was masturbating you, what thoughts were in your mind?" "Um, I thought, it's weird. It's like it didn't feel right but yet it felt good, and he was a friend so I didn't stop him." “Most kids your age start, around your age, start to masturbate by themselves usually without any kind of experience with another person and kids who (inaudible). Have you continued to masturbate since those experiences?” “I did, I believe, six times right after the end of our relationship.” “And not since?” “And not since.” “I’m not saying you should, but I’m asking you why you did. I’m asking you what were your reasons?” “Because, I remember that it felt good when he did it and - - ” “Okay, why did you stop? I’m not saying you should or you shouldn’t. I’m just saying why did you decide stop?” “I didn’t (inaudible).” “That’s it. Let’s separate the feeling from him.” (Inaudible) (Inaudible) “Let’s do this. Let’s take a break for about ten-fifteen minutes and then we’ll continue. So you stretch your legs. Now I want to put it on the record that I’m not going to be talking to you between our meetings. All contact with you, all the things I’m going to say to you will be in this room on this tape. Do we agree that I haven’t spoken to you prior to this day, right?” “Right.” “So that’s very important. Okay, so let’s interrupt.” (Break) “Do you miss him?" "No." "I'd like to talk to you about how this all came out. By the way, did he say to you that you should never talk to anybody?" "Yes he did." "What specific statements did he make to you in that regard?" "He said that this - that we had a little box, and this was a secret, and it's a box that only him and I could share." "He was not speaking literally?" "It was a secret box, like, yeah, pretend we had a box and secrets go in there." "A secret, like in a little box?" "Yeah, you put the secret in the box and nobody can know about what's in the box but him and me. And he said, once again, he referred to, like, the unconditioned levitators. He said that we weren't conditioned, but if this box were revealed to other people, like regular people of today's society, they're conditioned and so they would believe it was wrong. And so that's why I shouldn't reveal what's in the box." "Do you believe it's wrong?" "Yeah." ////////////// "How did your parents learn about this?" "I guess, after we had - Michael and I had stayed that night - - " "Where?" "At my father's, during the finals. He saw that, like, it wasn't a healthy relationship for me." "What did he observe directly in terms of the sexual activities?" "No sexual activities." "He didn't observe sexual activities? But there were sexual activities?" "There was, but he didn't observe them." "What did he observe?" "He observed Michael and I having almost the same personality, the same interests, the same way of speech." "When you say similar personality - - " "Like, I would act like him." "Did you find yourself consciously doing that?" "No." "Did you make a decision or it just happened?" "It just sort of happened. Like, the more we hung out together, his personality and his way of speech and everything else would rub off on me. And so he - - Dad saw me alone one time at Cody's, his pre-school graduation, and he told me 'You and Michael have lied to me,' and it seemed like he knew what was going on, without actually saying what was going on." "So your father suspected. Is that what you're saying?" "Yeah. And he said it in a stern, serious voice, not yelling." "Was he speaking to you alone, or - - " "Alone." "When did this happen?" "I, like, right before my school graduation." "That's May or June?" "June." [June 9, 1993] "So what did you say then? "I didn't. - - He didn't ask me what did you and Michael do together." "By the way, going back, did he say, 'It's a secret.'" "Michael?" "Yeah. In terms of did he make any threats?" "I think he may have said, like, if you tell - - if people say 'Don't worry, just tell us, Michael will go to jail and nothing will happen to me you.' He said that wasn't true, and I could, like, go to juvenile hall or something." "That he could go to jail but you'd go to juvenile hall?" "Something like that." "That he himself could go to jail?" "I don't specifically remember. I'm almost positive though, that he said about juvenile hall. I'm almost positive he said that, but I do indeed remember that he said that he would go to jail, and that, like, I wouldn't get off Scott free." "Did you believe that?"

"Well, I didn't really believe it at the time, and I definitely don't now. But at the time I didn't really believe it but I said, okay, whatever, and just went along with it." "Now let's see. When your father confronted you at first, what did you say?" "Well, um, it was an intimidating circumstance, where he was talking to me, and he said, 'You've lied to me, as well as Michael.' And I said - I was like, fairly nervous. And he said 'What would you do if I said that I don't want you to go on the tour.' Because I was supposed to be on tour with him now. He's on the tour." "Mmm-hmm." "We were planning on going on the tour. And I said, like, 'I probably would go anyway because I don't know of any valid reason you have,' I said to my dad." "You still wanted to go on the tour?" "Yes, at the time." "Why is that?" "Because I was having fun. At the time, the things Michael was doing to me, they didn't affect me. Like, I didn't think anything was totally wrong with what he was doing since he was my friend, and he kept on telling me that he would never hurt me. But presently I see that he was obviously lying." "You're saying you didn't realize it could hurt you? Is that what you're - - " "I didn't see anything wrong with it." "Do you see the wrong in it now?" "Of course." "What is wrong as you see it?" "Because he's a grown-up and he's using his experience, of his age in manipulating and coercing younger people who don't have as much experience as him, and don't have the ability to say no to someone powerful like that. He's using his power, his experience, his age - his overwhelmingness - to get what he wants." "Alright, so, you finally did tell your father. Who was the first adult you told?" "My father." "How many times did he have to ask you before you told him?" "Once." "The first time he asked, you told him?" "Well see, at the graduation he said, 'You guys are lying to me,’ and that was it, he didn't ask me any questions." "And what did you say?" "I just said, 'Huh?,” like, 'I didn't know.'" "You made believe you didn't know what he was talking about?" "Right. And then he demanded me over to his house, because he knew that the circumstances were wrong. And he, like, I was with my mom and Michael, and he demanded me over to his house. So I went to his house, and he said just for a week and then you can go back. And I really started liking it there. And he had to pull my tooth out one time, like, while I was there. And I don't like pain, so I said could you put me to sleep? And he said sure. So his friend put me to sleep; he's an anesthesiologist. And um, when I woke up my tooth was out, and I was alright - a little out of it but conscious. And my Dad said - and his friend was gone, it was just him and me - and my dad said, 'I just want you to let me know, did anything happen between you and Michael?' And I said 'Yes,' and he gave me a big hug and that was it." "And you never gave him the details?" "No." "Now you divulged this when? When did you tell him? In what month?" "July. I believe July. I remember that because it was very close to my sister's birthday, which is July." [It was July 16, 1993.] [A discussion ensues about the current and possible future effects on Jordie's life.] //// "Are you interested in girls?" "Yes." "Do you find yourself attracted to any boys?" "No." "Have you ever been attracted to boys?" "No." "You see, there are some kids who have an experience such as you describe, who shift from the heterosexual to the homosexual track. Do you know what I mean by that? If you ask them at five, six, seven, eight, they say 'I'm going to be a fireman when I grow up and I'm going to get married and have children - something like that - and then they stay on that track. But there are some kids, as a result of an experience like you're describing, that may shift and start moving down the homosexual track. Do you think that's going to affect you?" "Well, it may, and I guess that's why I'm probably in therapy." "Okay, but the question is, have you the feeling now that this may happen to you?" "No." "Why do you say that?" " 'cause - - I like girls!." "Do you feel that you could have, somehow, prevented all this stuff with Michael?" "Yeah." "How?" "Because originally - - Remember I said there were a couple things he did and I said 'Don't do that'"? "Yeah." "It worked those times, maybe I could have done it - - " "You could have been more forceful. Is that what you're saying?" "Yeah." "Why weren't you?" "It was hard to do." "Because?" "Because he's an adult, he's overwhelming, he's famous, he's powerful." "Were you in awe of him? Do you know what I mean by awe?" "No." "In awe of somebody means that you look up to them like they're almost a god, or something like that." "No. Actually when our relationship got closer and closer I thought less of that. Like most people think that, wow, he's great, because he can dance and sing. But you know, he's just like, a regular person." "Do you feel guilty about having participated in those acts?" "Yeah. I regret doing it." "What about fears? Any fears of any kind?" "No." "Sometimes people, after experiences of this kind, develop different kinds of fears. You have no fears?" "Maybe of cross-examination but that's all. I mean I have nothing to hide, it's just the thought of it." [Jordie describes some of the non-sexual activities he and Michael did together.] //// "It sounds to me, from what you're describing, he was functioning very much as a child." "That's what he believed he was." "You say, psychologically, he believed he was a child? When you were with him - you described the video games - he would play with you child games. Did he ever give any explanation as to why he did that?" "Because he's, like, when he was young, like my age, his father would continuously make him work, and like, his father would like beat him and stuff, and he's trying to relive what he didn't have as a young boy. Peter Pan is his idol." "Why is that?" "Because Peter Pan is forever young, and he goes on adventures and stuff." "He could relive all the experiences he didn't have, but what about the sexual part. How does that fit into reliving? Did he say he had sexual experiences of any kind as a child with some older person?" "No, not that I know of." "Did he say he loved you?" "Mmm-hmm." "You know how you look at a romantic movie sometimes and you see the man and the woman, and the man says how much he loves the woman, how much he adores her and praises her. You know about that?" "Yeah." "Would you say that was the way Michael was with you?" "Like, it was sort of like a weird kind of love. Like, it was like that but he, he loved me selfishly. Like, regardless of the fact that what he was doing might hurt me, he continued." "When you say it could have hurt you, how could it have hurt you?" "Everybody thinks what he was doing could hurt, otherwise it wouldn't be a crime." "Okay, how could it hurt? As you see it, how could it hurt you?" "Because - that's a touchy subject, I guess. It separates you from any other people." "How?" "I don't know." "Just your own guess." "It could make me depressed or something, I don't know." "Well, this is important. You say it's a crime. Why is it a crime?" "Because, like I said before, he's using his experience, power, age - - " "How could this have left you? If this had gone on and not been interrupted, how could you have ended up?"

"According to his pattern, I believe he would have left me and, sort of dumped me, I guess you could call it. And I would be, sort of, a vegetable." "Why a vegetable?" "Because he would continue to do those things and I would have no knowing of what else is out there." "Say that again. You wouldn't know what else is out there?" "Right. Like, he didn't like it if I would want to call a girl or something. You know, I wouldn't know, like, there were other options." "Are you saying that he would pull you off the track of going out with girls." "Right." "What would you say is the best thing that ever happened to you in your whole life?" "When I told my dad what Michael was doing to me." "Why do you say that?" "Because once I told him, I knew that Michael would never be able to do that to me again. And when something horrible ends, it's most likely the best thing in your life." "You say - - " "Like a prisoner being released from prison." "But are you saying through all of this, although you enjoyed it, you felt a sense of pressure?" "Yeah." "Was it a big heavy on you? Do you know what - - " "Yeah." "Could you describe - - " "Like, I couldn't be open with how I felt. Like if I didn't want to do something I couldn't just say 'I don't want to do that' because he would start crying or whatever. He wouldn't just say 'Okay, whatever, we'll just be friends and play video games.' He'd start crying and do everything in his power to convince me that - - " "But you voluntarily went back there. You could have said, I don't want to go up to Neverland again, right?" "Yeah." "So why did you go back?" "Because regardless of the fact that I went to Neverland, he would be with me. No matter what, he was always with me. It was like, I couldn't just say I don't want to hang out with you today." "Why not?" "It's not that easy. He would cry. He would say 'You don't love me anymore.' It would be, like a whole deal, you know, it was hard." "It's my understanding that your mother kind of facilitated things here." "What's that mean?" "Facilitate means, she made it easy for him. Another mother might not have believed him with this stuff about 'It's okay.' You know, some mothers would say 'You're not sleeping in bed with my kid, I don't care what you say.' She got herself talked into it." "Right." "Is it correct she understands now what was going on?" "Yes." "It seems to me that your mother went along with him. She equally got fooled. Is that correct?" "Yes." "What are your feelings about your mother at this point?" "She was fooled, just like you said." "Any feelings about that?" "That I'm sure if she knew what was going on, that she would say there's no way." "Have you discussed this with her?" "No." "No!" "Wait, discussed?" "This whole thing. About her being fooled." "No, 'cause, I mean, I personally don't like talking about it more than I have to." "Do you have any other feelings besides she was fooled?" "No." "I understand from your parents that you're not spending that much time at your mother's house. Is that correct?" "That's right." "And at your age and at your intelligence they are basically letting you make that decision yourself. But there are reasons for everything, and what I want to know from you is, what are your reasons why you want to spend so little time at your mother's house?" "It's not really that I don't want to spend time at my mother's house. It's, there's, I don't know." "There's always a reason for everything. Guess." "I would say it's because there's not so many rules at my father's house." "And what is the reason for that?" "I don't know. I guess their values, maybe." "What about their values?" "My father doesn't believe, for example, in eating the right food every night. You can have candy." "Your mother is kind of a stickler?" "What does that mean?" "Stickler? Your mother's fussy and your father's less fussy about the food. Is that what you're going to say?" "Yeah." "Any other reasons?" "It's not the food specifically, it's her rules in general." "What about her rules?" "My mom's rules are more strict. Like, go to bed this time, do homework right when you come home from school." "Any other reasons why?" "Well, also, at my mom's house - - the house specifically, or her?" "Both." "Well, I don't want to spend time at that house because Michael's presence is still there." "It's like his ghost is still in the house, his aura?" "Yeah." "Any other reasons with your mother?" "Why?" "You see, because I'm trying to find out what psychological problems or reactions, if any, you had to this experience - which was a mind-blowing experience. I'm sure you agree on that. When you think of all the kids in the world, to have had this experience with that guy, you know, it's reasonable to say that if you lived to be a thousand you wouldn't forget it. Am I correct?" "Right." "Okay. And it's got to have some effects on people: you're not immune to it. It's probably the case that it's not going to affect your sex life. You know it could, but it can have more subtle effects. They're not as obvious but they are nevertheless effects. I'm trying to find out - - like one of them is, now you have a -- you can't walk into your mother's house feeling relaxation and comfort because the aura of Michael is there. It's not a sexual effect but it's an effect. And it compromises your relationship with your mother. And I'm just wondering about other things, of those effects. That's why I'm asking you these questions. Do you think it has anything to do with your mother having facilitated. Do you know what I mean by facilitated?" "No." "Your father thinks, and I'm in agreement with him, that she didn't show enough - although he was such a convincing and seductive guy - that she should have earlier seen that there was some hokey-pokey stuff going on here and pulled you out of there quicker. Do you agree with that?" "Well, he had me under his spell. So, you know - - " "His spell? Do you think she was under his spell?" "Well, he got me under it, so I imagine he could get other people under it." "I'm wondering whether you do feel some resentment toward her, and that may be a factor why you're not seeing her." "No. I don't think so." "Okay. You know, as I understand it from your parents, and as I can see from what you say, when you're under his spell he became like, the - - you were being pulled away from your father, from your mother. You know, you were almost like a, you know, drawn in under his web and taken away from your family, and you viewed him as the most important person in your life. Right?" "Yes." "And under those circumstances you often take on the traits and the qualities of that person. Did you take on any of his qualities?" "I did when I was with him, but I thankfully got rid of them." "What were the qualities?" "His way of speech." "Can you imitate it?" "He would use words like 'hook me up'. That means get me something. An erection was 'lights.' "Lights was an erection. Go ahead." "Cum was 'duck butter.'" "Duck butter? That was semen, ejaculate?" "Yeah.” "So those were his words and you were using those words?" "Yeah." "Anything else that became part of you?" "No." "I want to get clarification with girls. What's your situation with girls at this point? Your father says that you're on the phone a lot." "Mmm-hmm." "Do you talk a lot with girls primarily? Do you spend a lot of time with girls?" "Mmm-hmm." "I see you smiling. Do you have a girl friend at this point?" "I'm sort of in the process of chasing after one." "So you got your eye on her?" "Yeah, I guess you could call it that." "Have you kissed anybody yet?" "I kissed this one girl." "Okay. So, your father seems to think in your relationship with the girls you ask a lot of questions; you're very controlling. Do you think that has anything to do with Michael." "No - - Well, yeah." "How does it relate to Michael?" "Because, I hadn't thought of it this way previously, but now that I think of it, since I put too much trust and gave control to Michael in our relationship, now I watch out for myself." "What about trust of your mother? Do you think any trust of your mother has been affected?" "Well, not because she, as people would say, she wanted to pimp me out. More because of maybe, I tried to tell her one time and she didn't believe me." "When was that? Do you remember?" "No." "How do you feel about that?" "I feel that if there's any remote, itty-bitty thing in your mind that your kid may be getting hurt, you should put an army together, you know, if there's a suspicion as strong as that, that my Dad had carried out this far. She should have at least listened to what I had to say." [End]

xiefei

*的~~~这次控方做的是“大手笔”~~~使MJ进牢房不是他们的最终目的~~~~~~ 一群险恶的混蛋~~~~

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-9-14 14:00:51编辑过]

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我不知道该说什么才能安抚我现在狂跳不已的心我不要MICHAEL有事,可身在大洋彼岸的我却只能眼睁睁看着而无能为力我从听见报道说迈迈曾负钱给另外一个男孩到现在这本书,心好象被撕裂一样的痛,从未有过的痛,痛到欲哭无泪,最近还噩梦连连,GOD BLESS MICHAEL ,I LOVE YOU

在Roger Friedman新的专栏文章中，他继续向读者介绍那本所谓的“真相之书”——《大曝光》。文章指出，93案件男童的叔父在书中披露了该男童与一位专门研究错误记忆及儿童骚扰的精神病医师之间的会见。这次与Richard A. Gardner医生（已病故）的会面，开始于1993年，是“超乎寻常的令人震惊”。这次会面发生在那年秋天，在这个男孩与Jackson的“关系”被父母发现并终止之后。从那时起，针对Jackson的案子就开始准备，同时司法之轮开始转动。根据男童的叔父Ray Chandler的说法，家庭律师Larry Feldman送男孩和他的母亲去Gardner在纽约的诊所“以了解他是否能在男孩的故事里发现漏洞”。讽刺的是，Gardner是因擅长揭穿所谓“受害者”编造的故事来为被指控“骚扰儿童”的人辩护而著称。但在这个案子中，Gardner“不能动摇指控者的故事”。 在这次对话中有一些古怪的片断，在这种情形下，这个男孩“表现得像是经过排练，而且他的话语比人们所预想的更清晰明白”。但这可能应归功于“他在此次会面前与无数律师和专家打过交道的缘故”。最重要的是，这个男孩向Gardner博士详细描述了他与35岁的Michael Jackson之间的“性关系”。尽管那个男孩把Jackson形容成“孩子般的”，但他也叙述了Jackson“诱惑了他”，包括几段有趣的情节，如“该流行巨星因男孩不默许他的行为而哭泣”。 据文章称，与Gardner博士的会面是“图解般清晰冷静而非眩晕”，并认为“故事不像是编出来的”，不然，该男童“就能因这最完美的虚构小说而得诺贝尔文学奖”——也许他真的该得这一奖项。当然， Ray Chandler写这本书的动机是可质疑的，而且他的哥哥（因被保密协议限制而不能写书捞钱）是否协助了他也是可质疑的，这就可以解释为何Ray Chandler拥有那些敏感的材料。然而，文章中表示，该书中曝光的同Gardner医生的会面记录是“Michael Jackson与未成年人有性关系”的“最有力证据”。这个男孩现在已经24岁了，他曾与Jackson如此密切以致于他害怕这位歌手会“抛弃”他。他还表明Jackson“警告过他”，如果“其他人发现他们之间的关系，Jackson会进监狱而他会被送往少年管教所”。

93男童叔父上“日界线”节目大肆诋毁MJ时间:2004-9-17 在1993年指控Jackson性骚扰的男孩父亲的录音带在NBC电视台上周日的“日界线”栏目播出，这是在歌手与这个男孩和解并达成不得讨论本案件的协议后十年后播出的。 这个男孩的叔父给“日界线”栏目播放了这盘录音带，并说他是在提起指控期间录制了该录音带。当歌手与指控者达成和解时，当局正在对指控展开调查。所谓的受害者在公诉阶段拒绝合作，而且在那时Jackson没有遭到刑事指控。男孩的叔父告诉日界线节目，起初男孩的家人试图帮助检察官提起指控，但在当局拒绝将他们作为证人保护起来之后，他们就停止了合作。 这个父亲在一盘录音中说道，他最初认为Jackson时无害的，甚至为他而感到难过。 “他是孩子般的人。他是一个孩子。没什么可怕的。你把他各个方面结合起来看……你会为他而难过。而且你知道他――这些方面表明他是一个非常孤独的人。” 这个父亲最终开始越来越怀疑这位歌手。男孩的叔父说，由于与Jackson无关的不合，他和他的哥哥不再关系密切。他已经写作并自己出版了一本有关这个指控的书《大曝光》。男孩叔父说他利用他哥哥了解的情况做了录音，但他的哥哥没有参与这本书的写作。Jackson在和解时没有承认任何不正当行为的存在，他说和解是因为指控会潜在地损害到他的事业。他已经一再表明他永远不会伤害任何一个儿童。 Ray Chandler在接受采访时表示，他的侄子是将Michael Jackson描述为“披着上帝外衣的魔鬼”！ Chandler说他的侄子告诉他他认为Jackson是“有毛病的”。“但是他怨恨Jackson利用他的力量和名声……来促使我的侄子做他不会同其他人做的事情。” “我的侄子，就像其他孩子一样，被Michael穿的这些军服迷住了――佩着肩章和其他装饰物的军服――对于孩子们而言这是多么酷啊。我认为这就是我侄子产生‘披着上帝外衣’的印象的原因。” 但最后，他的侄子告诉儿童福利官员说，“我不再想见到这个人。” “我想这里包含了仇恨，但也有同情，”Chandler提到儿童骚扰案后他的侄子对于Jackson的感情，“他向我表示，“当我父亲把我从Michael Jackson身边带走”是发生在他身上最好的一件事。” 当时35岁的Jackson据称曾试图让这个敏感的男孩远离女人，教他口号：“不要荡妇、婊子、小母牛或妓女，”这本书写道。其中还透露说Jackson在1989年的一个“十年艺人”评选中败给麦当娜后，当时竟称其为“小母牛”。 在这本271页的书中，Chandler——男孩父亲的弟弟，叙述了令人震惊的有关Jackson被控诱惑骚扰这个男孩的细节。这个男孩，现在24岁，经历了全面的治疗来克服所谓的骚扰（包括亲吻、爱抚）。 男孩后来在纽约大学学习商业管理，而且现在经营着他自己从和解中得到的钱所投的投资项目，据他叔父说。而且他在与女孩约会。他已经不用治疗了。 “作为‘Jackson的男童’，他尝试避开媒体的聚光灯。除此之外，他的生活是正常的。”Chandler说。 据称，Jackson利用奢侈无度的礼物——像价值2万美元的项链给男孩的母亲；给这个男孩父亲昂贵的金表和为好莱坞编写剧本的承诺；坐车去迪斯尼乐园；在永无乡庄园过周末，坐私人飞机住一流宾馆来环游世界，以此来赢取男孩及其家人的欢心。这个“厚颜无耻”的巨星甚至在男孩父母都在的男孩家中与男孩同睡，男孩父母当1993年骚扰发生时已经离婚了，据Chandler说。 男孩父母允许（Jackson与男孩）分享床铺，Chandler说，因为他们“信任”这位巨星。 男孩母亲在拉斯维加斯一家旅馆第一次发现她儿子与Jackson同睡时吓了一跳，但这位巨星像幼儿一样呜咽并乞求母亲不要在他们的关系间制造障碍。 这些只与信任有关，爱和信任，Jackson说，根据Chandler。这个男孩，他继续道，后来告诉他的叔父Jackson吓唬并操纵他进行性行为。当男孩不愿这么做时，Jackson会“开始哭泣”，Chandler说。 “Michael会说，‘某某就让我这样或那样。如果你真的爱我，你会让我这样做。’……他不是什么足球教练。他是Michael Jackson。我认为没有任何人能把他从家庭里推开。”Chandler说。 Chandler说Jackson告诉他的侄子有四五个男孩与他有性行为。某个夜晚，当男孩父亲允许Jackson在他家过夜时，他发现“Jackson和他的儿子在床上拥抱在一起”。这一对儿穿着衣服，但“轻佻的”把他的手“放在男孩胯部上方的被子上”，书中写道。父亲“把Jackson的手从他儿子的隐私部位移开”。 “当父亲看到他们睡在一张床上时，他认为这可能是同性恋爱。这时他决定要结束这段关系，”Chandler说。 在这个“轻佻的”插曲后，父亲开始切断Jackson与他儿子的联系，Chandler说，但没有马上成功，因为男孩的母亲拥有监护权，而且她那时仍然支持儿子与Jackson间的关系。 当父亲面对Jackson和男孩时，这位流行巨星冷酷的盯着男孩的眼睛并声明，“我什么也没做，”书中写道。“他（男孩的父亲）绝对后悔没有早点行动。他承认，’我太蠢了，无可原谅。’他等待得太久――他有勇气的直觉，但他没有足够快的行动，”Chandler说。 无论是男孩还是他父亲都没有参与这本书。Chandler说他们从2000年开始就彼此疏远了，由于家庭不合。 Jackson，46岁，去年被另一个13岁的男孩指控骚扰。他否认了所有指控。他的律师之一Brian Oxman，说他由于禁声令被禁止谈论这本书。 法官Rodney Melville是否会允许控方在明年的审判中引入93案中的证据还为决定。如果他这么做，Chandler的侄子是否会同意作证还不清楚。 “我想他会的。他这么做是正确的，”Chandler说。他说他写这本书来“直接展示那些资料”。“我愿意为父母们出主意——‘嘿，不要让你的孩子与那个家伙单独呆在一起！’” 来源:MSNBC/MJDB 发布:吸血姬美夕

Geraldine Hughes：《救赎》VS《大曝光》时间:2004-9-17 在《大曝光》之前，93年娈童案的一位涉案法律文秘Geraldine Hughes曾出版了一本名叫《救赎》的书籍。由于她当时为指控男童一方的律师工作，所以了解所有的内幕和陷害。在《救赎》一书中，她称Jackson是被人陷害。就当前《大曝光》一书的出版，以及该书作者Ray Chandler在书中对《救赎》的攻击，Geraldine Hughes发表了如下的回击： “我用来反驳娈童案和敲诈理论所提出来的要点，全部给他这个家伙极力推翻了，这真有意思。不过呢，当你自己看看他所提到的那些文件抄本时，你就会发现它们又恰恰地证实了我现在说的以往所发生的一切。 “对于他私下会见男童Jordy等人的解释，和他作为第三者所得到的消息而言，我所能说的就是：我当时是亲自目睹了一切！我不是基于别人告诉我后才说此番话的。而是基于我的所见所闻还有亲身目击的一切。尽管他从来没有见过我，但他却口口声声说对我的想法了如指掌云云。 我见过所有涉及此案的当事人。在这段艰苦的岁月里（注：93年案件），他却连个影子都看不到。 当我再次到他的网站看那些文件时，我担保虽然那些文件上有我作为打字员的名字，我根本就没有打过那些特别的文件！有好些文件是伪造出来的，甚至连我为之工作的律师Barry Rothman的签名都是假冒的。（比较一下这几份文件上Rothman的签名）。我能够坦言Michael没有在背后操纵我《救赎》的写作。而他，又能否坦言他作品的背后有没有某些与此案有牵连的人在操作呢？ “看看他对我的总结性陈词吧，你就能够从中看得出他的司马昭之心了，他写这本书是处心积虑的。当你有话要说时，那就是说吧。何必偏偏要写本书来诋毁别人的书呢！要说什么就说出来，让你的观点能够自己站得住脚，就如我的一样。我坚持到底是因为我全心全意地相信Michael Jackson是清白的，在我的《救赎》里所表明的事实就是我这份信念唯一的基础。 “当初我们计划出版《救赎》的时候，我们没有始料到另一宗控告Michael的案件在显露端倪了。所以我们毫无准备，唯有告知大家93年案件的有关真相，而这案件已经早已和解了。 我鼓励Jackson的歌迷和支持者们要信任上帝，信任他能够令一切谎言灰飞烟灭、能够评断所有在评断的人的能力。‘不可作假见证陷害人’不就是原来《十诫》中的一条吗？许多人现在从幽暗之地爬出来，手上除了已经报道过的负面消息外，一无所有。让我们等待Michael上庭的那天吧！届时在法庭上将会有许多事情发生，而这一切对Michael是会非常有利的。若然现在有丝毫风吹草动，还请稍安勿躁。我们要谨记：如果我们处于Michael的位置时，我们想要的是什么。在被证有罪之前，他都是清白的！如果你不相信我的话，那就恳请你相信上帝的公义吧。任何人休想瞒天过海！” 来源:MJJForum/MJDB 发布:小猪仔

Jackson支持者抨击“日界线”及《大曝光》时间:2004-9-17 Michael Jackson歌迷们日前纷纷对NBC电视台“日界线”节目播出的关于《大曝光》一书的报道表示抗议。《大曝光》是由Ray Chandler写作并私人出版的书，他的侄子就是那个在1993年首位指控Michael Jackson性侵犯的男孩。 此次报道以一盒录音磁带作为特色买点。据Chandler声称，这一盒带是前所未闻的，这是他和男孩的父亲一起录制的，用来记录他的家人所承受的苦难。在这些记录里，嫌疑受害人的爸爸叙述了当Michael Jackson留宿在小男孩家中的情况以及他是如何逐渐相信这位流行音乐天王侵犯了他的爱儿。 但“日界线”的报道手段和Chandler本人均遭歌迷质疑。歌迷声称，Ray Chandler的书作《大曝光》成为了这段时间媒体争先恐后报道的新闻，来支持93年那个弥天大谎。同样地，“日界线”也首当其冲地成为受质疑的另一“源头”，他们聘请了Victor Gutierrez来担任制作人，而正是这个制作人，当年曾经因为毁谤Michael Jackson而输掉了官司，赔上了270万美元诉讼费。在众多质疑当中，其中一点可能是Chandler对93年案件究竟知道什么。 在专栏作家Roger Friedman 2004年9月9日发表的文章当中，Chandler告诉Roger说已经有大量足以控诉Michael Jackson的证据了。据Chandler透露，某些证据是儿童色情物。这点言论会让人提出为什么十年前Jackson没有给判罪的疑问。同样它会让人们想知道为什么在原告男童Jordan Chandler收取了7位数和解费并撤销控告的两年后，即95年，他叔父在《娱乐周刊》上说，“眼看Jackson的事业当年遭受重创是很不幸的，所以我们都希望他会收复失地。” 另外，更有歌迷指出，Ray Chandler在撒谎，他说他写作此书的时候，根本没有和签署了保密协定的哥哥及侄子联系，但他书中公布的那些法律文件，只有从他哥哥或签署了保密协定的人士那里才能得到。更让人吃惊的是，《救赎》一书的作者（即当年亲眼目击所有内幕的法律文秘）Geraldine Hughes愤然指出：其中许多法律文件是伪造的！而造假人还假惺惺地把她的名字附在了她根本不知道的法律文件上。 来源:MJDB/综合 发布:小猪仔/Keen

Jordie Chandler的心理测试面谈记录 ------------------------ 1993年10月6日 1993年10月，Larry Feldman将Jordie送到纽约接受Richard Gardner博士的心理测试。在全美，Gardner博士是虚假虐童索赔案方面的权威专 家，他也时常作为一名专业的证人出现在法庭辩护中。 Gardner博士对jordie进行了一系列的测试，包括笔试，口试以及面谈。本文即是这次面试过程的录音抄本。其中，中括号内的内容是为了帮 助读者理解谈话的内容；“////////”符号表示被删除的片断，包括闲谈或细致的性行为描述；为了全文的简洁，大部分的口语象声词（如“ 嗯……，啊……”）以及被重复的语句均已被省略；另外，出于保护隐私的考虑，其他男孩的名字都已经被改写。 Gardner博士首先花了一些时间向Jordie介绍了这次面试的情况，他向Jordie解释有些人认为他（Jordie）没有说出实情，而面试的目的之一 就是找出事情的真相。博士同时告知Jordie双方在面试中真诚地交流是非常重要的，而Jordie则询问了博士一些私人问题，从中不难看出他试 图了解博士是否喜欢孩子。 在Jordie充分放松之后，博士开始了面试，他们从Jordie和Michael在1992年那次见面（见 All That Glitters）之前的邂逅开始.接着…… “好吧”，Gardner博士问道，“92年五月，你12岁半的时候，发生了什么事？” “我在Mr. Schwartz's (汽车租赁公司)见到他,” Jordie回答, 接着他开始讲述整个事情的经过,最后他说：“然后我的继父带他 [Michael] 出门，去给他选一辆车。我猜我的继父在外面的时候对他说‘如果你能留下Jordie的号码并且给他打个电话，你甚至不用为这辆车付帐。’ “为什么你的继父会那样说？” “因为他知道我对Michael和他的音乐很感兴趣。” “当时你在场么？” “不，这些都是我的继父告诉我的。” “嗯，然后怎么样了？” “然后他[Michael]就离开了。” “Jackson同意你继父所说的了么？” “是的” “好的，接下来发生了什么？” “我不记得在多久之后了，总之，他给我打了电话。” “他说了些什么？” “他说……我真的不记得了，但是我记得在我们的关系刚刚开始的时候我们在电话里的谈话。” “那次就是你们关系的开始，对么？” “对。” “这第一通电话你们打了多久？” “我不记得了，我不记得我们的第一次通话。” “在这个第一阶段，嗯，让我们把它叫做电话阶段，我想把整个事情分成几个阶段。这个第一阶段是在92年五月左右开始的，在这期间你们仅 以电话联系，这个阶段持续了多久？” “大概一直到那一年[1993]的一月底吧。” “这期间你们多久通一次电话？” “嗯，你知道，他夏天去巡演了，那就是在我放学的时候，应该是六月吧，但是在那之前他给我打电话——我不知道，我不想瞎猜，我不知道 。” “你能不能大概估算一下在这个阶段，这七八个月里，你们总共的通话次数？ “我不知道，我能不能给你讲个这阶段里面的细节然后我们再来看看？我记得——他打电话到我爸爸的房子，但是我的继父只给过他我妈妈那 边的号码。” “你当时主要跟你的母亲住在一起。” “是的。” “好的。” “所以，我猜……我确实不记得了，但是我猜他习惯打到我妈妈那边，他也打到我爸这里，我不知道…我想是我妈妈给了他电话号码。我们聊 了，我记得，聊了大概三个小时。” “你们聊了三个小时？” “嗯，就是那通电话。” “嗯，你们打过一通三个小时的电话; 我们正在讨论整个电话阶段呢。” “嗯，我想多想些细节，然后等我想完 - - ” “它们都是在那阶段的么？我需要在那个时间段里的细节。” “是的，我知道，但是我得回忆都发生了什么事。” “当然，但是我想打断你一下来弄明白一些。在电话阶段里，是不是有不只一通超过三小时的电话？” “是的。” “大概有多少呢？” “我不知道，大概…… ” “超过十次？你们最多打了五到十通这样的电话？这样说准确么？” (录音听不清楚) “好的，就这样。我不期望你(录音听不清楚)，但是如果你能把它概括成一个我们能够解释清楚的大致的猜测就好了。” “好吧，嗯……” “这种三个小时的电话里你们都谈些什么？” “他就说些他喜欢做的事情。” “比如说？” “比如电视游戏。他会说在他的Neverland Ranch里面有的东西。” “那个词怎么拼？” “N-e-v-e-r-l-a-n-d.” “他告诉我他有养动物。” “他有没有告诉你他养了什么动物？” “长颈鹿，大象，一只狮子，马，一个小动物园，还有其他的动物。他有爬行动物。” “他还说了些什么？关于他喜欢的事情。” “打水仗。他有自己特制的打水仗的地方。” “那是什么样的？” “就像是一种水战区。” “那是一种水池或者类似的地方么？” “不，那是一种附有水枪的建筑，都是特别的东西，还有一个障碍跑道。” “他还说了些什么？” “他聊了一些他的朋友。” “关于他的朋友他都说了些什么？” “他对我讲了讲他的一些朋友有多有名。” “例如？” “Peter Davis.” “他是谁？” “他是一个来自[出于保护隐私删除]的孩子。” “那时他们的关系有什么特别的么？” “他说Peter Davis是那种喜欢恶作剧的孩子，捉弄人。” “他有没有跟Peter一起捉弄人？” “有时候，他说Peter有时候会逼他那样做。” “他还谈到了什么其他的朋友么？” “Joshua Samuels，他是[出于保护隐私删除]。” “Joshua Samuels是谁？” “[出于保护隐私删除],你知道么？” “Joshua Samuels现在多大了？” “我不知道;应该有[出于保护隐私删除]” “关于Joshua Samuels他说了些什么？” “就是说他是他的朋友。” “在这个阶段里，你们谈过任何与性有关的事情么？” “没有。” “在这些谈话里他还说了些什么？” “一些其他他会在Neverland做的事情。他有一个类似嘉年华的地方，一个电影院，还有一些高尔夫球车可以在庄园里开。” “你是说你们的交谈就是围绕他的Neverland？” “是的。” “你对此有什么感觉？” “嗯，对一个普通孩子来说那真是妙不可言，无法抗拒的。他还告诉我Neverland是根据彼得·潘所在的地方命名的，因为他觉得他就是彼得 ·潘。” “他认为他是彼得·潘？” “是的，他说在Neverland，孩子们真正作主，孩子统治一切，还有类似的话，他说在那里只要你想要的东西你就能得到。” “关于这些谈话你还有什么能告诉我的？我们还在讨论电话阶段。” “没有了，就是这样。之后他六月就去巡演了，然后在一月底二月初才回来。” “嗯，在这阶段里从92年5月到93年1月他在巡演？” “除了(录音听不清楚)以外，五月，我会说是六月。” “巡演持续了多久？” “从六月到二月吧。” “所以，从92年6月到93年2月他在巡演？也就是说这些电话是从世界各地打给你的，对么？” “对。” “你还记得那些地方么？” “巴黎，罗马。我想他在土耳其之类的地方，嗯，我可能会记错的。” “好的。对于这个电话阶段你还有什么想告诉我的呢？” “嗯，我们第一次通话的时候——就是我在我爸爸那里跟他打了三个小时电话那次——他在他世纪城的公寓里，我们讨论我什么时候能去他那 里玩电视游戏。” “嗯，他邀请你去？” “只是没能成功，因为——” “你能想起来那是什么时候么？” “92年5月，他邀请你去世纪城？” “他在那有一所叫‘The Hideout’的公寓。” “为什么叫‘The Hideout’？” “因为那是个公共场所，但是没人知道他在那。” “他除了你还邀请了谁？还是他只邀请了你一个人？” “我不记得了……我想我不知道。” “好的，为什么邀请没能成功？” “因为我要学习。” “嗯，还有什么关于那个阶段的事情你可以告诉我的么？” ///////// “你之前用过这个词，说那里妙不可言而且无法抗拒。我想知道的是，在你们没有通话的时候，你有没有觉得自己总是在想他？” “是的。” “你都想些什么呢？” “比如……嗯，他的房子一定是个特别棒的地方，什么都有。” “你有没有梦到过那里？” “没有。” “那有没有影响到你的学业？” “那些电话吗？” “是的，我是说当你跟他通电话的时候你就不能去做功课，但是这些事情有没有影响到你应该专心去做的事情，比如学习或者类似的事？” “没有。” “在这期间你的父母对此有什么反应？” “我不记得他们有对这件事抱任何不好的想法。” “嗯，下一个阶段应该是从93年1月开始的，你应该比我清楚——” “应该是一月底二月初。” “好的，让我们叫它第二阶段。我想现在你比我更清楚应该如何划分这些阶段，因为这都是来自你的生活和经历。你打算怎么命名这个第二阶 段呢？” “也许我们应该叫它见他的阶段。” “好的，见他。这个阶段是从你与他实际的接触开始的——当你们两个人都不愿再打电话。” “对。” “这就是第二阶段的开始。” “实际上，我觉得我们应该只是以此命名这个阶段的开始那一段，因为，嗯，当我们越来越亲密的时候，事情变得越来越糟了。” “越来越糟是什么意思？” “发生了一些与性有关的事情。” “好的，那我们这样，把第二阶段称作接近他的阶段——你不是通过电话而是真正与他在一起，但是没有发生与性有关的事情。你同意把这个 阶段划作第二阶段吗？” “好吧。” “嗯，那么第三阶段就包括与性有关的事情了。” “是的。” “你提到了性，那是在二月初？” “对。” “从93年二月初一直到什么时候呢？” “我想也许我的妈妈知道，因为事情是在我们去拉斯维加斯旅行的时候发生的，那是我们第一次旅行。” “好的，那么这是你能回想起最细节的东西了。我一会和你的父母谈话，他们会帮助我充实一些细节。这也是我请你的妈妈待在隔壁房间的原 因，如果有细节上的偏差，我就能向她确认。你记不记得拉斯维加斯的旅行是什么时候？夏天之前还是之后？” “我想应该是夏天之后，在92年夏天之后但不是… ” “我们在说93年。” “对，所以那应该是夏天之前，我想我二月回学校呆了一段时间。” “好的，那么你认为第二阶段是从93年2月开始的。” “二月初。” “93年的二月初。” ////// “你提到拉斯维加斯，你是说在拉斯维加斯你们发生了身体上的接触？是这样吗？” “是的，是在那时候开始的。” “你开始在他的床上睡觉？你是从93年二月初开始这样做的吗？” “不是。” “那是……” “大概二月下旬吧。” “那也就是说第二阶段实际上很短？” “是的。” “好的，我想搞清楚身体接触发生的时间。嗯，第一阶段没有与性有关的事情，对吧？” “对，第一阶段没有。” “在第二阶段，还是没有谈到性，但是你们不再满足于以电话交流。如果你们睡在一张床上，我会说那与性有关，一些人也许不会，但是我会这么说 。” “是的，我也会那么说，事情就是这样改变的。” “大部分人都会认为与一个人同床共枕与性有关。从你第一次见到他，到你跟他睡觉，之间有多久？” “我不记得。” “但是你是从二月开始和他睡一张床的。” “对对对，我真的不是很肯定是不是二月，但是……” “好的。第二阶段很短暂。” “对。” “有一个月吗？还是不到一个月？” “我不记得了。” “好，我们打个问号。那在第二阶段，你们都干些什么？在你开始与他睡觉之前。” “嗯，我们去了他的Neverland。” “‘我们’都有谁？” “我，我妈妈，kelly，我的妹妹还有我一个同母异父的妹妹 。” “在那里发生了什么事吗？” “没事，我在访客区和妈妈还有Kelly睡，Michael在他的房间睡。” “你在Neverland待了多久？” “嗯，一个周末吧。” “你记不记得是周五，周六还是周日？你待了两天还是三天？” “我不记得。” “你在那都干了些什么？” “我们在他的一个小湖里开摩托艇。” “还有呢？” “我们去看动物，还玩电视游戏。” “你和他一起？” “对。” “这些活动你都和他一起做的？你还跟他做了些什么？” “我们开高尔夫球车。” “带着你的妈妈还有Kelly？” “有时候是，嗯一半一半吧。他们有时候会离开。” “他们是谁？” “我妈妈还有Kelly.” “那个阶段你去了几次Neverland？” “我不记得了。” “我们还在讨论第二阶段。除了去Neverland你们还做了些什么？” “我们会去世纪城的公寓。” “谁跟你去？” “我和Michael，我不记得我妈妈是否（录音听不清楚）” “然后那？那是第二阶段的末尾吗？在第二阶段你们有通电话吗？” “是的。” “长达三小时的电话？” “是的。哦对了我想起来了，我们在Neverland的时候，我们去了Toys-R-Us，那里关门了但是我和妹妹还是想要什么就拿什么。” “他们为他开门，对吗？” “对。” “你拿了多少？” “很多，我们把购物车装满了。” “你知不知道那些玩具值多少钱？” “不知道。” “你记不记得你都拿了些什么？” “电视游戏，(录音听不清楚).” “在第二阶段还有什么事吗？” “没有了。” “让我们回到第一阶段。我知道你不记得你们通话的次数。但是如果让你随便猜测一下你们在第一阶段通话的总数，你会怎么说？不止是那种三个小时的通话，短时间的也算。” “我想有十次。” “好，现在我们开始第三阶段。” “你觉得第三阶段还应该再被细分吗？或者你只是想描述事情发展的过程？” “我不知道，因为……我们一会再讨论它好吗？” “当然。” 翻译： davidfun

“第三阶段是从，呃，我们去拉斯维加斯的时候开始的。当时我们住在Mirage酒店。” “在旅行时开始……你能想起来那是什么时候吗？” “我不记得了，我想差不多在二月下旬吧。” “Ok，那是发生在你去Neverland以及去Toys-R-Us之后了。在世纪城有什么不寻常的事情发生吗？” “没有，我不记得有。我们只是玩游戏机。” “他在那里有游戏机？” “你说‘我们’，都有谁？” “我妈妈，Kelly还有我。” [短暂的休息]. “在拉斯维加斯发生了什么？” “我妈妈和Kelly住一间房，Michael自己住一个大套房。” “Kelly跟你在一间房间里吗？” “不，她跟我妈妈住，我自己住一间。” “你自己住一间，你妈妈和Kelly住一间，Michael住一间。” “是的。” “那些房间是单独的还是连在一起的？那是一个大的套房么？” “那是个大套房。” “好的，继续说。” “嗯……有一天晚上……” “你在那里待了多久？” “我不知道…差不多一星期吧。” “那天晚上怎么了？” “我妈妈和Kelly睡觉以后，我们去他的房间看驱魔人的电影，在他床上。看完电影之后我很害怕，然后他说，你为什么不干脆呆在这呢？于是我就没走，那天什么也没发生。” “你说你在他房间里……” “在一张床上。” “在一张床上睡觉？” “是的。” “你们睡觉的时候有没有任何身体接触？” “没有。” “那床大吗？” “我想是的。” “那么，你们没有进行身体接触，他请你与他同床共枕的时候你怎样想？” “嗯…当时我很害怕，我没有去想会发生什么。” “你是被他吓到还是被电影吓到？” “电影。于是我说‘好吧。’只是简单的睡觉而已。” “好的，关于那晚还有什么吗？” “我们只是谈论电影，第二天我跟我的妈妈单独在一起的时候…… ” “你母亲知道你与他在一张床上睡觉吗？” “嗯，我正要说。我说‘我昨晚和Michael睡在一张床上。’然后她说‘嗯，别再这样就是了。’” “她跟Michael谈过吗？” “嗯，我会说的。当我和Michael在一起时我告诉他我妈妈不让我再这样做——在一张床上睡觉——他哭了出来，说‘她不能这样阻止我们’，‘什么也不会发生的，只是睡觉而已’，‘那没有错啊。’” “他说‘什么也不会发生，那没有错，只是睡觉而已’？” “是的，于是他——我不记得我有没有哭，不过他决定去把他的感受告诉我妈妈。他告诉我他对我妈妈说‘那样没有错，你要接受它，因为我们只是睡觉而已，你不应该阻止我们。’他让我妈妈充满负罪感，她被说服了，她决定相信Michael。而Michael不知用什么方法也让她同意不再过问这些事情。于是从那开始一直到我们关系的结束，我一直睡在他的床上。” “你说一直睡在一起，你是指拉斯维加斯之旅期间还是指从那以后的所有时间？” “所有的时间。” “你印象中你们在拉斯维加斯待了一周，这期间你在他床上睡了几次？” “嗯，大概两三次吧。” “好的，你们有任何身体接触吗？” “没有。” “他在你面前有暴露身体吗？” “没有。” “你呢?” “我也没有暴露过。” “好的，关于拉斯维加斯就这些吗？还有吗？” “没有了，就这些。” “好的，我们继续。” “嗯，我们回到洛山矶之后我们的关系比以前亲密了许多，我们见面更频繁了，也经常去他的庄园。” “每次去你都和他一起睡？” “是的，我的妈妈还有Kelly也都住在同一间客房里。” “客房距离你们睡觉的房间有多远？” “很远。你知道浴室吗？大概从这里到浴室那么远。” [Jordie在说博士的面谈室到博士办公室的浴室的距离。] “那有一个街区那么大啊。” “不，比那小一些。” “半个街区的距离？” “我记不清了，不过差不多。” “好的，我就写几百英尺。” “我不知道，你应该问问我妈妈。” “那在一个房子里面吗？” “不。” “是两栋楼？” “是的，那里就像个宾客楼。他们就住在客房里。” “是另外一栋房子？” “我和Michael住在主楼他的房间里。” “嗯，我们讨论了Neverland，接下来呢？” “嗯，我睡在他的房间，我们每周都会到neverland例行公事一样睡觉。他会倚着我，抱着我之类的。” “好的，第二阶段结束了。这期间你们只是一张床上睡觉而没有发生任何事，对吗？” “是的。” “我们把第四阶段称为身体接触增多的阶段。” “事情就是那时候开始的。” “你印象中，你们的身体接触是什么时候在哪里开始的？” “什么时间？” “几月呢？我是说在拉斯维加斯，你提到那是二月初。” “拉斯维加斯应该是二月下旬。” “好的，二月下旬。他第一次抱你是什么时候？” “我不记得。” “一点印象也没有了？” “没有。” “那是在93年夏天以前吗？” “我想应该是5月初或者5月中[1993]。” “93年五月他第一次抱你，那时你们在床上吗？” “是的。” “那时你们在哪？我是说实际位置。” “你要我描述他的房间？” “不，我是说地点，你们在Neverland还是什么别的地方？” “Oh,是在Neverland。也有可能是别的地方，不过我几乎敢肯定是在Neverland。” “好的，然后发生了什么？” “他抱我，我也没多想，无所谓嘛。就这样他以后又抱了我好几次。” “他会抱你多久？” “一个很短的拥抱而已。” “在床上？” “是的，穿着衣服。” “你说过什么吗？” “我不记得了。他好像说过‘我爱你，晚安。’之类的。我不记得……” “你有没有把他推开？” “没有.我只是…我不记得我有回抱他，我只是说‘我爱你，晚安。’” “他说‘我爱你’？” “我记得是。我记得不是很清楚。” “你说‘我爱你’的时候，可以有很多意义，你知道有人是在表达爱意，有的时候只是表达友情，你是怎么说的？” “只是友情。” “出于友情。没有爱情？” “没有。” “好的，我们继续。” “拥抱之后……” “你是说拥抱只是开始？” “是的，每次他都会有新的动作，性方面的，我们就一直这样，不断玩新花样。” “好的，接着呢？你是说你们拥抱过很多次?” “是的。” “你们除了在床上，还在别的地方拥抱过吗？” “你知道，这只是普通的拥抱，任何人见了也不会多想的。” “他在公共场合也做过？” “是的，就好象告别的拥抱那样。” “他拥抱你的时候你感觉他有性冲动吗？你从没有感觉到他有勃起或者类似的变化？” “没有。” “好的，继续。” “嗯，我想他有吻我的脸颊。” “什么时候？” “我不知道，就是那段时间。” “那段时间，你是说五月——我们还在说93年五月的事。他是在什么情况下吻你的？你躺在床上还是站着？” “嗯，我们在床上。” “那是个什么样的吻？” “就是在脸颊亲一下，我觉得就是在说晚安时候的那种。” “后来发生什么了吗？” “我们拥抱，后来他开始吻我的唇。” “你印象中那是什么时候？” “我不记得。” “那是在夏天之前吗？” “是的” “那是六月吗？” “我不记得，我确实不记得了。” “反正在夏天以前？” “对。” “唇吻有很多种，你们是哪种？” “就是亲亲。” “他的嘴是张开还是闭着的？” “他闭着嘴。” “他吻了你多久？” “我不记得，一秒钟吧。” “你们当时在床上？” “是的。” “好的继续。” “后来，他吻我的时间变的长了起来。” “唇吻？” “是的。” “在哪？你们都在哪亲吻？在Neverland吗？” “Neverland.” “你们在别的地方亲吻过吗？” “是的，在世纪城，the Hideout那里。” “那么主要是在Neverland和世纪城咯？世纪城的那个公寓，我没有那里的照片，你说许多人都不知道那里有他的公寓?” “嗯，那里有很多公寓…… ” “世纪城是个附近城市名字吗？” “是的。” “你知道我是东海岸的…世纪城是洛山矶的一部分吗？” “是的。” /////// 翻译： davidfun 待续

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这个医生怎么老是打断男孩的讲话啊,好象迫不及待地想聊到有性方面的内容的样子人都被他搞晕了还有啊,不是国外性教育做得很早很好吗.我怎么觉得这孩子有点性白痴啊,什么都不懂的样子,如果真象他说的那样,他应该早知道自己被侵犯了而感到很愤慨,而不是过了这么久突然后悔起来如果他讲的是真的,MJ对他@$#%$^%&的时候,他不觉得很恶心啊,反正我是很翻胃,除非他是同性恋,但他又说自己不是如果他讲的是真的,他应该受了很大的伤害,对性方面应该很抵触.可是他现在不是追女的追的兴高采烈的,还拿着迈迈的钱搞事业去了,他不觉得那钱很恶心吗.用他的身体换的列,亏他用得欢天喜地的怎么想这都有问题!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![em05]

一个13岁的人能说出这样的话不是排练的，也说明他太TMD早熟`````有心计了```更别提他还被注射了一针影响记忆力的麻醉药```````