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本帖最后由 ryanchris 于 2009-8-3 23:26 编辑
139楼: "黑衣人”的幕后故事
140楼: MJ在BAD时期的画
后面部分的问题和回答都有点零乱, 回答问题的人明显有些不耐烦了,只是简单几句代过, 并且没有什么实质的关于MJ的细节.
还有一些是关于一些技术性较强的幕后制作的细节, 大家有兴趣的话可以看原贴, 到今天还一直在更新中.
一个名为"Jordan Rose"的网友的回复让我很不是滋味, 讲到MJ演唱会上对口型的事, 原文如下(我今天实在没有心情译下去,有兴趣的人先看看英文部分吧):
The whole of The '84 Victory tour with the Jacksons was live. Motown 25 Medley with the Jacksons was live, Billie Jean was sadly lip-synched.
84年的Victory 巡演是现场演唱的.Motown 25 周年和杰克逊兄弟的Medley 是现场, 很遗憾Billie Jean是对口型的.(这大家都知道,是为了最好的舞台表演效果)
The '87 leg of the Bad tour was 100% live but towards the end and in 1988 some parts were mimed including Thriller, most of Man In The Mirror before the ad-libs and Smooth Criminal. Smooth Criminal is really fair enough because that would a be a nightmare for anyone to sings whilst dancing.
87年的BAD巡演是100%现场的, 但是,到了年底和1988年, 有些部分就是对口型的, 包括Thriller, 和Man In The Mirror在即兴表演前的大部分, 以及Smooth Criminal.
Smooth Criminal对口型是很正常的,对任何一个人来说, 在跳舞的时候唱这样一首歌都是一恶梦(意为难度非常之大).
The '88 Grammys MITM was lip-synched up until the ad-libs. That always drives me crazy for so many reasons. Firstly, when he sings live and nails it, he BEATS the studio versions and you only have to listen to the Grammy ad-libs to hear maybe his most impressive live vocal work-out ever. Also, performers perform differently when lip-synching, they just don't connect to the song in the same way. You can literally see MJ come ALIVE on the Grammys when his mis is turned on, he literally switches up a gear and gives everything. From observing him and other over the years I just don't believe that in a free-form i.e. non-choreographed performance, that you get the same passion and intensity when lip-synching. I don't blame Prince for sitting there looking bemused.
88年格莱美是对口型,直到即兴表演的部分. 那是一直让我疯狂的事情, 因为很多原因.
A Sammy Davis Tribute song in '87 (I think) was sung live. 'It's called 'You Were There'.
87年纪念Sammy Davis的歌曲我想应该是现场唱的, 叫做'You Were There'.
MJ lip synched the MTV Black or White and WYBT performances bar the poem at the end of WYBT. Such an absolute shame. Those performances could have been legendary had he sung live. Instead they're largely forgotten outside of the fan base. From this point on there wasn't a single award show performance with a full live vocal.
MJ sang Gong Too Soon live at Clinton's Inaguration. He was clearly and reportedly nervous, missed the high notes and fluffed the 'sun......flower' line. Such a shame. I don't understand why he seemed to come to doubt his own ability in these later years.
Althought the 1992 dangerous rehearsals show MJ singing everything live, when the tour started several things were mimed including Jam (fair enough), Thriller, WYBT, Heal The World (inexcusable) and most of Man In The Mirror.
Other award show performances and one-off from the point on were all mimed with the possible exception of 'Elizabeth I Love You' in 1998 which may have been partly live to a backing track but is hard to tell when he comes in.
The general rule for miming is 'If you doubt that it's live, it isn't live'. When something is live yopu can tell straight away without question.
MTV 1995 was mimed bar a few screams, speech before Dangerous and YANA ad libs. In his ad-libs, as on the HIStory tour and '99 WMCIG shows, he sounds better than the studio vocal he just mimed to and I wonder how and why he chose to do this in front of an audience of his peers. People rave about the performance in '95 and it's on the HIStory 2 DVD but to me it's utterly redundant bar it's significance as his first performance after the allegations and some cool steps during the medley.
HIStory was a horrendously lip-synched tour. Even the poor backing singers, despite visibly singing their hearts out, were actually doing so whilst MJ's own studio backing vocals pumped through the system.
Basically, the ENTIRE shows was lip-synched var Startin' Somethin', the J5 medley ad libs for Beat It, Billie Jean, YANA and a few other songs and the odd intro and scream here and there.
I personally can't understand this and would love to know MJ's own real private reasons.
我个人觉得不能理解, 并且我想很知道MJ自己的真实的私人原因是什么.
I'm sure there are many including saving his voice and perfectionism but then why as the one and only full live songs did he pick Startin' Somethin', the HARDEST songs to sing bar Criminal and struggle badly to sing it when compared to previous tours?
Why not sing Stranger and YANA live? Or Earthsong? Or even better, just rotate the live songs each night depending on how he felt?
为什么不唱Stranger in Moscow, 或earth song, 甚至如果根据他自己的感受, 每晚轮流现场唱一些歌曲也更好啊!
He actually came close to releasing a DVD of that tour. A LIVE DVD lol. Come on! Why not sing each song live for posterity at least once? I can't believe that this wasn't something that was important to him and never occcured to him. He has only sung ONE song live from Dangerous, HIStory, Blood and Invincible: Gone To Soon at the Clinton gala. To me that's one of the saddest things: the missed opportunities. The greatest live performer of all time doesn't even have and can never have a great live album spanning his career.
If you want to show a non-fan or casual fan why MJ is so great live, you have to resort to a bootlegged copy of a Bad show. How sad is that? I'd never show anyone the HIStory show and the 'official' Bucharest Dangerous show ranks about 20 out of those pro-shot shows available.
如果你想要向一个非迈迷或是普通的歌迷展示MJ非常棒的现场演出, 你就不得不找出一些BAD巡演的私藏.
这是多么让人难过?
我从来不向任何人展示历史巡演以及"官方"发行的布加勒斯特的危险巡演, 来分出那些事实录制好的演出前20场的排名.
[这位网友的语气实在是让我很不舒服, 他为什么要这样去挑剔MJ. 众所周知, MJ是个完美主义者,为了演唱会整体的舞蹈演唱及表演的舞台效果达到最佳, 而不得不用一些对口型的做法, 在我看来是完全可以理解的.
我个人就觉得历史的巡演是最棒的, 是最完美的! 是最经典的! 当然, 危险的巡演也一样非常棒! 但就如危险的巡演中BELLIE JEAN的真唱, 相对就是没有历史巡演中的对口型加上绝美的舞步来得完美! 难道不是吗???]
MJ has never been taken very seriously among many serious music critics and musicians. Had he done something like an MTV unplugged and really sung a lot of his stuff live with a REAL band as a bandleader he could have earned that respect. It's one of the sadest things to me that he missed so many opportunities like this. |
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