这个凌晨 我过得撕心裂肺！本想等到明天再发帖 但我实在忍不住了 从床上爬起来~

alextoalex

回复 413pyt 的帖子

最好先做点研究再问这种很无谓的细枝末节的问题。MJJCN和MJJC的信其实都不完整，但是并不影响传达该信的内容。有关这封信最早的报道在这里，http://music-mix.ew.com/2010/11/ ... eaking-news-estate/，

对于你的问题
1、MJJC的邮件比MJJCN的邮件多了第一段，见紫色标识。
很简单的问题， MJJCN少转了一段，如果能从这中看出阴谋来，佩服你。

2、个人认为此封邮件不是写给歌迷的。因为最后一段写着“you and the fans”（你和歌迷们），说明这封邮件是些给“你”这个人的，而不是给歌迷们。至于“你”是谁就不得而知了。
又是一个很简单的问题，这是回给一个叫Jeff的歌迷并一并回答众多歌迷疑问地信件。

3、抬头“Dear Fans”后面没有标点，正常一般是逗号或冒号。英文正式官方声明的标点使用是很严谨的。
这种细枝末节也要钻牛角尖，我只能说” get a live."

另外报道中还提到：“A representative for the Jackson estate noted that Weitzman’s letter is not an official press release, but vouched for its authenticity.”

    November 11, 2010

    Jeff:
    I am writing you in response to your questions regarding “Breaking News,” and your reports of fan comments and concerns. There is nothing more important to the Estate than Michael’s music, his legacy and his fans. I hope the information below is helpful and responsive to your concerns.
    As the Michael album was being put together, it was decided to bring Teddy Riley on board to work on several songs, including “Breaking News,” a song Michael recorded with Eddie Cascio and James Porte in late 2007 while living at the Cascio family home with his children. Riley produced and submitted “Breaking News” to Sony for inclusion on the album. At that time, no one ever mentioned that the vocals we heard on the Cascio songs, which were basically in demo format, might not be Michael. It was known, however, that the background vocals were a combination of Michael and James Porte.
    After the tracks were submitted to Sony, three of these Cascio songs were selected to be on the album, and “Breaking News” was one of the three. The day after the submission and selection of the album tracks, for the very first time, the authenticity of Michael’s vocals on the Cascio tracks was questioned.
    Because of these questions, I was immediately asked by co-Executors John Branca and John McClain to conduct an investigation regarding the authenticity of the lead vocals on the Cascio tracks.
    Six of Michael’s former producers and engineers who had worked with Michael over the past 30 years – Bruce Swedien, Matt Forger, Stewart Brawley, Michael Prince, Dr. Freeze and Teddy Riley – were all invited to a listening session to hear the raw vocals of the Cascio tracks in question. All of these persons listened to the a cappella versions of the vocals on the Cascio tracks being considered for inclusion on the album, so they could give an opinion as to whether or not the lead vocals were sung by Michael. They all confirmed that the vocal was definitely Michael.
    Michael’s musical director and piano player on many of his records over a 20-year period, Greg Phillinganes, played on a Cascio track being produced for the album, and said the voice was definitely Michael’s. Dorian Holley, who was Michael’s vocal director for his solo tours for 20 plus years (including the O2 Concert Tour) and is seen in the This Is It film, listened to the Cascio tracks and told me the lead vocal was Michael Jackson.
    These are all engineers, producers and musicians who worked on tours and/or in the studio with Michael when he was recording Bad, Thriller, Off The Wall, Dangerous, Invincible, HIStory and Blood On The Dance Floor, and they all reconfirmed their belief that the lead vocals were Michael’s voice on the Cascio tracks.
    The Estate then retained one of the best-known forensic musicologists in the nation to listen to the vocals without any instrumental accompaniment (“a cappella”), and to compare them with a cappella vocals from previous Michael songs. This expert performed waveform analysis, an objective scientific test used to determine audio authenticity, on the Cascio tracks, as well as previously released tracks with Michael’s voice, and reported that ALL of the lead vocals analyzed (which included Cascio tracks) were the voice of Michael Jackson.
    Sony Music conducted their own investigation by hiring yet a second well-respected forensic musicologist who also compared the a cappella lead vocals from Cascio tracks against previously released vocals of Michael’s, and found that Michael’s voice was the on all sets of the raw vocals. The Cascio tracks were also played for two very prominent persons in the music industry who played crucial roles in Michael’s career. Both of these individuals believed that the lead vocals were Michael’s.
    Just to be absolutely certain, I also contacted Jason Malachi, a young singer who some persons had wrongfully alleged was a “soundalike” singer that was hired to sing on the Cascio tracks, and I confirmed that he had no involvement with this project whatsoever.
    Sony decided that, given the overwhelming objective evidence resulting from the exhaustive investigations outlined above, they wanted to release a record that included three of the Cascio-Porte tracks – because they believed, without reservation, that the lead vocal on all of those tracks were sung by Michael Jackson.
    Although there still seem to be concerns being expressed in some quarters about the authenticity of the lead vocals, notwithstanding the opinion of those who worked with Michael, and two independent forensic analysts, ultimately, Michael’s fans will be the judges of these songs, as they always are. We take all fan comments very seriously, and as I’d stated above, there is nothing more important to the Estate than Michael’s music, his legacy and his fans.
    Michael’s fans are extraordinary in their quest for accuracy and their passions to raise their voices in a search for truth! We join with them in our care and concern for Michael. We are continuing to follow up with those who have worked in the studio or on tours with Michael, and if any new information comes to light, we will keep you and the fans advised.

    Thanks,
    Howard

    Howard Weitzman, Esq.
    Attorney for the Estate Of Michael Jackson
    Santa Monica, CA

我爱迈克我爱

回复 MAC璐璐 的帖子

楼主我看了这个帖子http://www.mjjcn.com/mjjcnforum/thread-140843-1-1.html，不知你看了没有，这个帖子里也说他是工程师，你也是搞音乐的，不知道他说的你能不能理解，是否看完了这个帖子会对你的心情有所缓解

我爱迈克我爱

我爱迈克我爱 发表于 2010-12-29 09:13
回复 MAC璐璐 的帖子

楼主我看了这个帖子http://www.mjjcn.com/mjjcnforum/thread-140843-1-1.html，不知你 ...

MJ小丝  你把这个贴摆到楼主面前，可真是“贻笑大方”了，她学音乐的，这些专业的东西一问便知，会被这种不懂装懂的帖子蒙蔽？  发表于 9 分钟前


楼主还没说话了你撇着大嘴笑算什么？我的意思是让他看看那个帖子内容，因为两个都是搞音乐的，技术术语肯定比你我要明白的多，懂吗，怎么叫不懂装懂，你把那个帖子里不懂装懂的地方找出来？

x剑花秋莲l

JM的歌，我一直听的都是128的，这个音质可以吗？我是和卡西欧三曲一起对比的。

黄昏之木

跟着sony混，有MJ的肉吃。

alextoalex

回复 413pyt 的帖子

看来你引文只引对自己有利的话，其他就暂且隐去了？这可不是要找出真相的正确态度。
红字部分“A representative for the Jackson estate noted that Weitzman’s letter is not an official press release, but vouched for its authenticity。”
为什么只看半截？ 要是不明白的话可以翻译给你。
“ Jackson estate的一位发言人说指出虽然Weitzman的信并不是正式的新闻发布，但是遗产公司为其的真实权威性担保。”

你的问题：
第一，很感慨为何MJJC网站将第一段去头去尾（删去部分见红字），只留中间一句话。MJJCN网站干脆彻底将第一段删除。这是一个值得深思的问题。
简单的事非要想的那么复杂。

第二，原来此邮件真的不是写给“Dear Fans”（亲爱的歌迷），而是写给一个叫姐夫（音译）的人（看来我原先的判断没有错）。刚刚看了你提供的网址的邮件前面的解说，这个姐夫顶多只能算 “some fans”的代表，遗产公司写给姐夫的邮件并不能看做是写给全世界的歌迷的邮件。难道全世界歌迷被代表了？囧~
看来你第一段没读懂。大概全文都没有读太懂。

第三，你提供的网址和你的红字部分都注明了 杰克逊遗产公司特地指明Weitzman的这封邮件不是官方的正式声明。我对此非常疑惑，为何一封给姐夫的私人邮件经几个网站一转，就摇身一变成了 MJ遗产公司就《爆炸新闻》写给歌迷的正式官方声明？百思不得其解。望大家指点迷津。
看文只看一半，就这种寻找真相的态度？替你们担心。

CrazyforMJ

哎  这个话题什么时候才能停歇啊

cat2009

结合83楼提供的原始文件，我理解如下：

1）这封信的确出自遗产公司的律师之手，而非他人违造，所以有一定的官方背景
2）这封信不是一个正式的官方文件，它即不是遗产公司正式送交媒体的新闻稿，也不是遗产公司以其律师名义正式发给歌迷网站的，而是一封带有官方背景的私人性质回信。而并非一份法律有效的正式文件。

这也解释了我困惑，一直以来我都感觉这封在措词上不够严谨，特别考虑它是出自律师之手，就更不应该了。比如

After the tracks were submitted to Sony, three of these Cascio songs were selected to be on the album, and “Breaking News” was one of the three.

难道没有人觉得这里的 Sony, 换成遗产公司,才更合适吗？

以常识考虑，负责选歌的应该是遗产公司，不是吗？！


其实我困惑的是，早在BN这首歌被放出来之前，即在“假歌”争议在歌迷中扩散开之前，遗产公司已经完成了歌曲真实性的鉴定工作。手里已经拥有了包括法医鉴定的在内的相关证据。为什么遗产公司不在歌迷争议之前就公开这些资料，以求最大限度的平息可能的争议？而是直至歌迷争议声泛起数日后，才姗姗来迟地发表一个官方声明。现在，甚至这份所谓“官方声明”都并非是一个正式文件。即使是从维护Mj 声誉形象考虑，这样沉默也是不好的吧？

qytqoq

回复 MAC璐璐 的帖子

额！露露姐！你怎么了！这么纠结啊！别难过了！

M_W

LZ不要太纠结了。写了这么一大段，看得出你对MJ的爱。

以下是一些想法，话说重了见谅。再说了，既然发了帖子，就应该有能听取不同声音的气量。

第一，虽然你是搞音乐的，但由于不知道你的真名，所以无法知道你的音乐造诣，因此你所提供的一些主观感受无从判断可信度。我不是想拿一些音乐行家来压你，因为一个人的音乐造诣只有得到公众的认可才更有说服力。

第二，LZ是英语的Native speaker吗？在语音上，汉语是一种前部发声的语言，而英语是一种“后部发声”的语言，两者的发声方式不一样。因此,　LZ提到的关于MJ发音的问题有待商榷。

第三，在事实还没完全明了之前，还是要沉得住气。多方考察证据，有利无弊。

最后，说句玩笑话，这歌有人听是真，有人听是假。但每个人的耳朵并不都是当摆设用的。

maikeiabc

真歌假歌，真的很乱呀。。。。

我爱迈克我爱

我爱迈克我爱 发表于 2010-12-29 09:45
MJ小丝  你把这个贴摆到楼主面前，可真是“贻笑大方”了，她学音乐的，这些专业的东西一问便知，会被这种 ...

MJ小丝  我的意思是，如果真的是为了楼主，就不要把这样贻笑大方的“技术”帖子给她看。MJ生前饱受争议，但他的演唱水平从来没有被人抹黑过，现在某些人为了证明那些没有说服力的歌曲是MJ唱的，已经不惜一切丑化MJ了
这个帖子的中心思想是说MONSTER这首歌笔者认为是100%迈的声音，但已经经过处理了，不会再还原迈的声音了。然后工程师自己又通过技术手段做了个音频，但是听着还是不太像迈的声音。意在证明处理过的动心想还原是行不通的。所以歌迷们做的那些音频对比根本不是在原始的材料上做的。人家也说了任何歌唱家都需要那样的技术处理，没单独说迈。我跟这个楼主说的也是这个意思，因为他自己说是搞音乐的，我就想让他看看这个是不是这样。明白吗！这是一种询问，真诚的询问！看明白了在扣帽子！

浅粉蔚蓝

只要MJ在心中就好了 新专辑我每天都在听 怀疑一直也有 不过心里总是给自己一个台阶下 自己告诉自己 这是真的 真是真的

cat2009

人家也说了任何歌唱家都需要那样的技术处理，没单独说迈。我跟这个楼主说的也是这个意思，因为他自己说是搞音乐的，我就想让他看看这个是不是这样。

我看到那则报道，让我想起之前读到的 泰迪瑞利的一段话：

瑞利不怕告诉这个大师他走错了。“我听到MJ在一些歌曲里用了自动调音（auto-tune，T-Pain歌曲中常用的效果）。”他略带愤慨的语气说，“我说，‘噢，不！'我不会说出歌名，我绝不会和迈克用auto-tune。我全部的想法就是让迈克用本来的声音唱，人们喜欢他的声音。”

（http://www.mjjcn.com/mjjcnforum/ ... rby%3Ddateline.html）

本来想回到那个贴子里，不过我考虑即使是瑞利表示过他不喜欢用自动调音处理Mj的声音。但也有可能现在斯人已逝，已无法按的他的设计重新录制，所以也就只好采用这种他原本并不欣赏的方式，来处理Mj的声音。也是有可能的。

但泰迪的这段话，却似乎可以解释你的的疑问：

“任何歌唱家都需要那样的技术处理”。

Myfavorite

那一刻是不是很恐怖！